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CycloAndy said:
One rider out of 25-30 probably reflects the share Irish customers account for Skys revenue reasonably well. At least better than no riders.

nobody in ireland will care for an irish b rider in a sport they don't know or watch. if it was that important they would've had an irish rider at least in for past seasons as well. garmin has many dutch riders, but the sponsor doesn't have special interest for dutch market. it's that vaughters knows well seg manager
 
Ryo Hazuki said:
a company like sky really isn't gonna care for a nation of 6 million people

Ryo I have to ask, do you ever think about the stuff you type before you type it? Sky, as a company plan to invest over 1.25BN in Ireland over the next 5 years. Last year they earned over 382 million Euro there. They are well aware of the money to be made there

Also how on earth could you possibly know what the interest level in Cycling in Ireland is. It is EXPLODING. Probably one of the most lucrative emerging markets after the UK. The National papers are clamoring for riders to write daily pieces for their papers, and it's front page news when one of them wins.
 
Ryo Hazuki said:
nobody in ireland will care for an irish b rider in a sport they don't know or watch.

Well I guess these people didn't know why they were cheering Roche after he won the triple then.

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happytramp said:
Ryo I have to ask, do you ever think about the stuff you type before you type it? Sky, as a company plan to invest over 1.25BN in Ireland over the next 5 years. Last year they earned over 382 million Euro there. They are well aware of the money to be made there

Also how on earth could you possibly know what the interest level in Cycling in Ireland is. It is EXPLODING. Probably one of the most lucrative emerging markets after the UK. The National papers are clamoring for riders to write daily pieces for their papers, and it's front page news when one of them wins.

so? sky have over 400 million dollar revenue in new zealand(I looked it up). how many new zealand riders are in sky? 300 million dollar a year investing in ireland is peanuts for such a huge conglomerate
 
happytramp said:
Ryo I have to ask, do you ever think about the stuff you type before you type it? Sky, as a company plan to invest over 1.25BN in Ireland over the next 5 years. Last year they earned over 382 million Euro there. They are well aware of the money to be made there

Also how on earth could you possibly know what the interest level in Cycling in Ireland is. It is EXPLODING. Probably one of the most lucrative emerging markets after the UK. The National papers are clamoring for riders to write daily pieces for their papers, and it's front page news when one of them wins.

The word earned implies profit (rather than turnover), and without looking it up I can confidently say Sky did not make that much profit from Ireland.
 
Obviously sky have invested a lot in Ireland. That's irrefutable. They dominate the TV market here, even more so than our national broadcaster. To them we're like a smaller version of the UK and we're right next door. We've got the same tastes, interests, likes and dislikes. Cycling is a growing sport in the UK, it's also a growing sport here. Why not try and cash in on that for the relatively small amount it costs to sign a fairly decent Irish rider. I'm not exaggerating when I say cycling is really taking off here, it is.
 
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Deignan was largely brought because Sky have a level of financial interest in Ireland. Even if Ireland accounts for less than 1/25th of Sky's income (which is debatable) then it still makes sense as the law of diminishing marginal gains (a concept Sky are well aware of) means that the gains from adding another British rider are minimal as they already have a lot. Therefore Riders from other countries is desirable financially. The reason an Irish rider was chosen ahead of riders from other smaller countries is because the giro's Irish start means they will get great exposure if they have one of the few Irish riders. NZ's lack of a GT stage means that exposure from having an NZ rider would be lesser.
 
CycloAndy said:
Deignan was largely brought because Sky have a level of financial interest in Ireland. Even if Ireland accounts for less than 1/25th of Sky's income (which is debatable) then it still makes sense as the law of diminishing marginal gains (a concept Sky are well aware of) means that the gains from adding another British rider are minimal as they already have a lot. Therefore Riders from other countries is desirable financially. The reason an Irish rider was chosen ahead of riders from other smaller countries is because the giro's Irish start means they will get great exposure if they have one of the few Irish riders. NZ's lack of a GT stage means that exposure from having an NZ rider would be lesser.
Deignan was bought because he's a solid rider capable of a top 10-15 at Vuelta or Giro if the race suits and will be a very good domestique, happy to work for a strong team leader like he did for Sastre at Cervelo. He also speaks English.

If Sky were that concerned about the Irish market they would have gone for Dan Martin or Nicholas Roche.
 
Ryo Hazuki said:
nobody in ireland will care for an irish b rider in a sport they don't know or watch. if it was that important they would've had an irish rider at least in for past seasons as well. garmin has many dutch riders, but the sponsor doesn't have special interest for dutch market. it's that vaughters knows well seg manager
Of course Garmin has an interest in the Dutch market. The SEG guys use that fact to their advantage.

If you don't understand why it could be interesting for a company with a local subsidiary to have a local rider at the start of the Giro, you don't understand marketing.
 
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Not a Spanish speaker, but from other news about his plans for 2014, he wants to do Ardennes as leader and go to Tour this year. ( he did Giro Vuelta combo 2 years in a row already .. ) . Preety sure coming from Tour he'll use Veulta or Canadian classics to prepare for the Worlds.

Potential Sky Tour squad. All bar Eisel can climb fairly well :p What a train this could be xd

Froome Nieve Porte Henao Kennaugh Kiyrenka Thomas EBH Stannard/Eisel
 
Gloin22 said:
Not a Spanish speaker, but from other news about his plans for 2014, he wants to do Ardennes as leader and go to Tour this year. ( he did Giro Vuelta combo 2 years in a row already .. ) . Preety sure coming from Tour he'll use Veulta or Canadian classics to prepare for the Worlds.

Potential Sky Tour squad. All bar Eisel can climb fairly well :p What a train this could be xd

Froome Nieve Porte Henao Kennaugh Kiyrenka Thomas EBH Stannard/Eisel

that train makes the tour 14 boring already now :eek:

:p
 
janraaskalt said:
Any Spanish speaking forum member who can give us a summary of this Sergio Henao interview video?
http://www.revistamundociclistico.c...a-el-proximo-ano-sergio-luis-henao-video.html

Says was a great season for Colombian cycling.

His second part of the season - poland Vuelta, didnt go like he expected from his training, but is all good. Uran will manage well at OPQS.
All positive from him.
Colombia coldeportes also did well according to him.
Worlds went well for him and well for Colombia even though Uran fell.
Sky will decide his schedule but he would like to do Tour after 2 years of Giro Vuelta like Gloin said.

Talks about his Sebastian Henao. Says he will work hard do well. All good again.

Asked what his personal objectives are - says he will see what GTs he does, but maybe to do well in a classic, mentions Amstel, Lombardia and Liege.
 
Maybe this thread is not the most suitable for this, but I cant find the sky thread. As well it could be Movistar team or Froome thread. But the important thing IMO is what Unzue say about SKY.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=67053

Here there is a bad translation that I have improved just a little:

Eusebio Unzué : " We try to Froome ran on Movistar Team "

¿ Do you imagine Chris Froome , Alejandro Valverde and Nairo Quintana in the same team ? Right now is presumed impossible , but it wanst far of it happened on Movistar Team in 2012 . Eusebio Unzué confirmed that he negotiated with the British rider his signing during the Vuelta a España in 2011 but his second place made that impossible becouse Sky reacts .

Indeed , the Spanish WorldTour team beat Team SKY and the navarre manager dont deny that " the taste of winning Sky is really big" .

In one interview in the Daily of Navarra , Unzué and José Luis Arrieta , both confirm that negotiated with Froome . " We try to Froome ran on Movistar .

The problem is that he grew up during the talks. Flirted at the start of the Tour in 2011, but the promise was realized. He podium , and the empire Sky would not pass up a runner as well . And the facts are proven right , "confirms manager Movistar Team . Froome was uncovered and was second in that Vuelta Cobo won . " He tried, wanted to come . The pity is that Froome exploded during negotiations , "says Arrieta . Unzué not believe that the British would be better cyclist in Movistar Team than Sky because " their level in sports is what it is " . " If he were here perhaps would have won a Tour of Spain and Tour de France more under his belt . He will be the rival of all of the next three or four years, "he says.

The number one team in the WorldTour is a great satisfaction , a victory that culminated in the Tour of Beijing , Sky relegating to second place . "It's a reward from the work of a year, a year , not a moment in time - out Unzué . "In moments Sky has been brighter , but we have been regular from Australia to China."

And praises Dave Brailsford formation , and therefore your pleasure is greater : "Cycling has many things to thank Sky , has given an added image . Athletically its explosion coincides with the globalization of cycling. For all these things , beat the taste of Sky is great. Being the best in the world has a multiplier effect . I want the team reference and the reference classification of world cycling . "

" Is that Sky is a reference computer image , media, preparation ... - Arrieta in the newspaper asserts Navarro- We are your alter ego. Maybe we have not the means but we can fight them every year to be on. I know for a fact that we are a reference to Sky , we are envious because we fight in every race. So highly value our riders who just there. From our humility we must fill with pride that we are a reference to the same sky, and that the road be able to compete with them. " Zandio , Uran , Kiryienka and David Lopez are brokers of the structure passed to the British Navarre , and Dowsett did the opposite .

In the Navarre , accept numerical and technological superiority of the Sky , but Arrieta believes that there are other weapons to win and be the best . " He knows better Eusebio why we have won the Sky , which is the team that resources and personnel are in professional cycling . That makes more meritorious the great work of the entire group of people is multiplied up to three to be competitive. It's a little battle of David against Goliath , and we have won . We cyclists quality , they have more resources but with the work of all you can get up . " " The good fortune that we have is that there is an implication beastly all around . That fashion collides with modern times in where everything is super-specialized . supporter I am hotchpotch , we all share , we all enrich , and everyone feels it brings more that all its small contribution is essential. means we have less , but greater willingness to work at all " said Unzué in Diario de Navarra .

And Arrieta estimated Movistar Team experience is an advantage : "I think in the end this is the result of a philosophy that has 35 years of history, which is something that Sky does not have . Some have been here for 35 years , another 20 , another 10 ... Each has its strengths and weaknesses , but runners who come here in two years is as though they carried a life here , with a bestial involvement . Here all the corridors we put our time no matter the cost. Elsewhere each has its plot , and not out of there . That is something the rider notices " .
 
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karlboss said:
Then maybe Astana should break the train :p Garmin/Movistar ruined it once this year.

So what. Astana sets the pace. Then Porte comes in for 2 minutes and Froome, Nibali and Quintana are left. SO much for the train.

The only thing the 'train' and strong team will be good for is the hilly stages, and the flat ones with cross winds. If Astana will not be able to use those stages with their teamthough, no point of having a train in mountains against Sky and Froome. Better just to conserve energy..xd

It might work at races without Froome and Porte, but with them, its pointless on the mountain stages. ( on hilly it can work though but Tour usually has only one or two max like that usually .. )
 
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Gloin22 said:
So what. Astana sets the pace. Then Porte comes in for 2 minutes and Froome, Nibali and Quintana are left. SO much for the train.

The only thing the 'train' and strong team will be good for is the hilly stages, and the flat ones with cross winds. If Astana will not be able to use those stages with their teamthough, no point of having a train in mountains against Sky and Froome. Better just to conserve energy..xd

It might work at races without Froome and Porte, but with them, its pointless on the mountain stages. ( on hilly it can work though but Tour usually has only one or two max like that usually .. )

I said break the train, not make a new one. Stage 9 there was no Porte. Nor any train, Froome was isolated, just movistar chose to race for 2nd instead of 1st.
 
karlboss said:
I said break the train, not make a new one. Stage 9 there was no Porte. Nor any train, Froome was isolated, just movistar chose to race for 2nd instead of 1st.
"Luckily" they have covered that part now with Nieve, who (unlike Porte) gets better the more mountains you add...
 
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Strategy, surprise, daring, are the only ways you beat Sky/Froome. 2013 he was the best climber and TTer of the contenders. If you wait until the MTFs and TT you have lost. If your move comes inside the last 40km, I'd say you have resigned yourself to 2nd place.