So....cav outside time limit but race organisers let him stay in TDF

[Poursuivant]

You should probably read the rules, they havte been followed.

As has been pointed out, Rojas finished approx 3:30 before Cav and has in effect been given the stage win in the points competition. I'm really struggling to see how this isn't fair.

And judging by the difference in climbing ability I'd say that Cav's main rival (as it seems that this is more a disscusion about the green jersey than anything else, which is in itself ridiculous) I'd say Cav probably had to work alot harder to come in in that group than Rojas had to work to come in in his.

agree with this

 

[personal]

You should probably read the rules, they have been followed.

As has been pointed out, Rojas finished approx 3:30 before Cav and has in effect been given the stage win in the points competition. I'm really struggling to see how this isn't fair.

And judging by the difference in climbing ability I'd say that Cav's main rival (as it seems that this is more a disscusion about the green jersey than anything else, which is in itself ridiculous) I'd say Cav probably had to work alot harder to come in in that group than Rojas had to work to come in in his.

I know the rules and they were broken for Cavendish.

This means that gruppeto should form around him in the future.

 

[Ragerod]

I know the rules and they were broken for Cavendish.

The second part of that sentence disproves the claim made in the first.

The rules regarding elimination coefficients have been posted in this thread so read them. The rules weren't broken and the ruling wasn't made for the benefit of Cavendish.

 

[Richeypen]

The second part of that sentence disproves the claim made in the first.

The rules regarding elimination coefficients have been posted in this thread so read them. The rules weren't broken and the ruling wasn't made for the benefit of Cavendish.

Dont waste your breath, a post like his doesnt deserve a response.

 

[Winterfold]

"I know the rules and they were broken for Cavendish."

 

[personal]

He was behind time limit and race jury did what they did for him and because of him.
They didn't have to apply the modification if they didn't want to.

 

[Aleajactaest]

The you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

Here's not trying. Flecha's data for today. Average 274 watts for over 6.5 hours.

http://ar.gy/Utv

https://www.trainingpeaks.com/sw/57ZJX4ZMZ4CSI5RWOZ3ANR5OYI

Wow, what an idiotic assessment of what I said. There is considerable difference between they weren't having to do a lot of work and what I said. I said they did what they had to do and not more. I don't dispute that even that is hard,but I absolutely think they're smart enough to figure out how to exploit the rule or there wouldn't have been that many of them. So, my point is this: Great, he used an average of 274 watt all the time but if he hadn't used that rule, perhaps it would have been 300 and he'd be more tired tomorrow like the ones who did meet the cutoff. Certainly, we can't argue that 80 people in the grupetto were all sprinters, no?

 

[Andy99]

He was behind time limit and race jury did what they did for him and because of him.
They didn't have to apply the modification if they didn't want to.

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER 86 RIDERS.

What a particularly *** post. READ THE THREAD BEFORE POSTING.

 

[zigzag wanderer]

He was behind time limit and race jury did what they did for him and because of him.
They didn't have to apply the modification if they didn't want to.

I'm sure the French public would be delighted to see Thomas Voeckler start today's stage with 2 teammates

 

[patterson_hood]

He was behind time limit and race jury did what they did for him and because of him.
They didn't have to apply the modification if they didn't want to.

You're almost there, you've dropped the "rules were broken" stance. Now re-read your second sentence, they didn't have to but they did and this is within the rules.

 

[hatcher]

Is "cav" the collective noun for a group of 87 (or so) riders?

Weird (and by that I mean predictable) to see Cav being singled out, when he was the only rider to receive any kind of punishment. Surely those riders like Gilbert and Mollema who have zero business being in a gruppetto should face more anger than Cav does.

Climbers and breakaway artists sit in the back group with the sole intention of taking enough time so that they are allowed to get away in the upcoming days. Do they get criticised for trying to win following their days in the gruppetto?

 

[Zoncolan]

Of course they let him stay, as they should. It's the way they always do it with a big group.
Should he be punished by being thrown out of the points classification though? I'm kind of in two minds there.

 

[patterson_hood]

Of course they let him stay, as they should. It's the way they always do it with a big group.
Should he be punished by being thrown out of the points classification though? I'm kind of in two minds there.

So it can be won by a guy who only just made it inside the time-cut and hasn't won a satge? They basically gave Rojas the stage win in terms of points, why do people think this isn't enough?

And why single out Cav? Why should he be treated any differently to the other riders in the group?

 

[El Pistolero]

So it can be won by a guy who only just made it inside the time-cut and hasn't won a satge? They basically gave Rojas the stage win in terms of points, why do people think this isn't enough?

And why single out Cav? Why should he be treated any differently to the other riders in the group?

Dude, Cav gets 45 points for the easiest stages ever made while Rojas is only earning a hand full of points in way harder stages.

Go cry somewhere else General Patton. The rules are in Cav's favor here, not the other way around.

No one is asking Cav to be treated differently. I wouldn't mind if Phil was thrown out and I'm a fan of him.

 

[patterson_hood]

Dude, Cav gets 45 points for the easiest stages ever made while Rojas is only earning a hand full of points in way harder stages.

Go cry somewhere else General Patton. The rules are in Cav's favor here, not the other way around.

Define harder. If the sprint stages are so easy why doesn't Rojas just win them as well?

 

[Zoncolan]

So it can be won by a guy who only just made it inside the time-cut and hasn't won a satge? They basically gave Rojas the stage win in terms of points, why do people think this isn't enough?

And why single out Cav? Why should he be treated any differently to the other riders in the group?

Not single him out. All of them should be out of all classification comps.

 

[patterson_hood]

Not single him out. All of them should be out of all classification comps.

That's still a penalty designed to hurt only a select few though isn't it? If those were the rules that would be fine but those are not the rules as it curently stands and personally I think it would be silly. You'd end up with sprinters just pulling a Super Mario every year and where's the fun in that?

 

[El Pistolero]

Define harder. If the sprint stages are so easy why doesn't Rojas just win them as well?

Being able to win a stage doesn't make it hard. All Cav does is ride at the front for 200 meters. At most.

If you'd ask me who has the best track record at the Tour; Cav or Thor. I'd say Thor by a mile.

 

[patterson_hood]

Being able to win a stage doesn't make it hard. All Cav does is ride at the front for 200 meters. At most.

So if it isn't hard why doesn't Rojas do it? He doesn't even get close. In fact, winning a stage in a bunch sprint is incredibly hard, that's why Cav is such a phenomenon.

Running the marathon in 2:15 is hard, so is running the 100 metres in under ten seconds. You would expect the same athlete to be able to do both would you?

 

[El Pistolero]

So if it isn't hard why doesn't Rojas do it? He doesn't even get close. In fact, winning a stage in a bunch sprint is incredibly hard, that's why Cav is such a phenomenon.

Running the marathon in 2:15 is hard, so is running the 100 metres in under ten seconds. You would expect the same athlete to be able to do both would you?

If it's so hard then why are sprinters the only ones that can win that many stages in 4 years? Incredibly hard? Now I'm really laughing my *** off. Cav is the fastest sprinter and still gets 50 meters head start because of his train.

Cav is a sprinter like every generation has one.

It's like saying stage 1 was hard for Phil. It wasn't.

 

[lanternrouge]

Being able to win a stage doesn't make it hard. All Cav does is ride at the front for 200 meters. At most.

If you'd ask me who has the best track record at the Tour; Cav or Thor. I'd say Thor by a mile.

With one sweeping statement you show your ignorance of bike racing. As its so easy never mind Rojas I expect to see you at the sharp end next season.

How does the ignore function work someone please?

 

[patterson_hood]

If it's so hard then why are sprinters the only ones that can win that many stages in 4 years?

Cav is a sprinter like every generation has one.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of another sprinter that has won 19 stages in four years.

 

[El Pistolero]

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of another sprinter that has won 19 stages in four years.

Cause Cipo was never invited. He never the less won 42 Giro stages and I think 12 Tour stages. Plus 3 times G-W and the WC... And many other smaller races that Cav doesn't seem to be able to win anymore because he's lazy.

Give Tom Steels the HTC train and he'd have won many more stages.

 

[patterson_hood]

Cause Cipo was never invited. He never the less won 42 Giro stages and I think 12 Tour stages. Plus 3 times G-W and the WC... And many other smaller races that Cav doesn't seem to be able to win anymore because he's lazy.

So the answer is no then?

 

[El Pistolero]

So the answer is no then?

The answer is Cipo was even better than Cav.

You'd know if you saw his last victory at G-W That's called a phenomenon.