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So what should Joe have done?

So what should he have done..

  • Taken his ban and named everyone

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Seriously, either you want doping in sport, or you dont. Theres not too many ways to fix it.

No need for real discussion, there's enough Joe threads, but interesting to see what people think as half the forum are calling him a grass and a snitch (and therefore in my belief support the Omerta) and half the forum are saying he did the right thing.

And yes, I know not doping or not supplying would be the best option but thats all water under the bridge.

I suppose deny everything could have been an option.. feel free to say if that is your opinion.
 
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Confessing immediatly and taking everyone that does the same thing like you did down with you is the only right thing to do if you want clean cycling.
Respect Joe for coming clean. (Honestly it seems a big case in the US but in Belgian news we don't hear anything about it. rather strange...)
 
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Michielveedeebee said:
Confessing immediatly and taking everyone that does the same thing like you did down with you is the only right thing to do if you want clean cycling.
Respect Joe for coming clean. (Honestly it seems a big case in the US but in Belgian news we don't hear anything about it. rather strange...)

I've only seen the story here at Cycling News. It's supposed to be international, and include some athletes outside of cycling, so countries will jump all over it once names are exposed. It seems like there's a ton of big stuff going on behind the scenes in various investigations. I hope it will make for an interesting off-season.
 
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Joe is completely doing the right thing. Quite frankly, we should be discussing those who purchased EPO from or through him...and why they just don't come forward and confess. Chodroff took someone's job for a few years by cheating to obtain results. It took USADA confronting him to make him confess. While i am glad that he did (without denying and fighting it), the others on that list should pick up the phone, call Tygart, and confess now to spare us all (and the sport) the upcoming drama.
 
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How about "he should have taken his ban and not continued to deal... and told all." He's only talking now to reduce his prison time. "Honest Joe" is a good, but very recent, and entirely new, invention.
 
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We now have two votes from people who apparently think 187 anonymous cheaters should be allowed to get away with it even though there's evidence against them. Omerta lives. And thanks for stopping by, LA & JB :eek:
 
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Mellow Velo said:
We could name and shame the Omerta boys.
Just click on a vote number to reveal all.........

Shhh, youll give the game away
 
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Confess, take his ban, and fully cooperate by providing names and evidence. Pretty much what he has been doing. My only complaint is that he could be a bit more judicious with his public statements, tweets, posts, etc.
 
Interesting isn't it. The unique one vote came from someone yet to post anything. Signed up just to vote. Seems PS found it too much work to create account to balance the voting. They can't use their other usernames, because, well, even they are not that stupid.
 
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I think it's great to do everything possible to clean up the sport but the only problem I have with Joe is the fact it only seems he's doing this to lessen the punishment he's facing. That's just my opinion and it matter nothing in the scheme of things. He's the one that's got to look himself in the mirror and convince himself of what's his true intentions.
 
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Where's the option "Not been a dealer in the first place and got a job, rather than being a parasite on the sport"?

If you go into the criminal life, you should abide by criminal values, so I said name nobody. His clients were paying for his silence, not just his drugs.
 
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Where's the option "Not been a dealer in the first place and got a job, rather than being a parasite on the sport"?

If you go into the criminal life, you should abide by criminal values, so I said name nobody. His clients were paying for his silence, not just his drugs.
Yes his clients will be so disappointed.
Had they been caught, they could have been telling on Joe in stead, as he's disposible.
 
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Mambo95 said:
Where's the option "Not been a dealer in the first place and got a job, rather than being a parasite on the sport"?

If you go into the criminal life, you should abide by criminal values, so I said name nobody. His clients were paying for his silence, not just his drugs.

So it is your opinion that because his clients were paying for silence they should get away with it? If you are a pro cyclist, it's OK to dope as long as you pay money to keep the fact that you dope a secret? How much money is enough? A few extra dollars when buying EPO from a web site? How about a $100k+ donation to the UCI?
 
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Cobber said:
So it is your opinion that because his clients were paying for silence they should get away with it? If you are a pro cyclist, it's OK to dope as long as you pay money to keep the fact that you dope a secret? How much money is enough? A few extra dollars when buying EPO from a web site? How about a $100k+ donation to the UCI?

That's not what I'm saying at all. Papp is a criminal. He has chosen the criminal life. If you do that you should behave like a criminal when caught. Do coke dealers give up their clients? No they don't. Maybe their suppliers, but not the clients.

The fact that dopers are caught is good. Decent people who got hold of a doping list would give it up to the authorities. But Papp is not a decent, honorable person, he's a criminal, so he should behave like one.
 
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Mambo95 said:
That's not what I'm saying at all. Papp is a criminal. He has chosen the criminal life. If you do that you should behave like a criminal when caught. Do coke dealers give up their clients? No they don't. Maybe their suppliers, but not the clients.

The fact that dopers are caught is good. Decent people who got hold of a doping list would give it up to the authorities. But Papp is not a decent, honorable person, he's a criminal, so he should behave like one.

I still don't quite follow your logic. You are upset with Papp because he behaved MORE like a "decent, honorable person"?!
 
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Mambo95 said:
That's not what I'm saying at all. Papp is a criminal. He has chosen the criminal life. If you do that you should behave like a criminal when caught. Do coke dealers give up their clients? No they don't. Maybe their suppliers, but not the clients.

The fact that dopers are caught is good. Decent people who got hold of a doping list would give it up to the authorities. But Papp is not a decent, honorable person, he's a criminal, so he should behave like one.

Quite possibly the most baseless, ignorant thing I have read on the subject to date. And that was not an easy accomplishment for you.
 
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Cobber said:
I still don't quite follow your logic. You are upset with Papp because he behaved MORE like a "decent, honorable person"?!

My logic is - if you become a criminal, then do it properly and live the criminal code. The first law of the criminal world is 'don't grass'.

Now, you and I are not criminals, so the natural thing to say is sing like a canary. But Papp hasn't taken that road.
 
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Mambo95 said:
Where's the option "Not been a dealer in the first place and got a job, rather than being a parasite on the sport"?

If you go into the criminal life, you should abide by criminal values, so I said name nobody. His clients were paying for his silence, not just his drugs.

I addressed that in the initial post. No point having a poll that includes hypothetical retrospective "what he should have done" options.

Im rather concerned we have TEN omerta supporters
 

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