So which dopers is Evans gonna have with him on BMC next year?

[blackcat]

Is there any dirt on Phinney? The only slightly plausible link I could think of would be that he rode for the Trek-Livestrong U/23 team before he turned pro, but that's about it.

riding a 4:15 @18 or 19

 

[ggusta]

Can someone tell me the point of this trollish thread?

It seems that the thread maker is just someone who has a personal vendetta against Evans and wants to bring him down.

I got yer back, acf, Cadel is as clean as everyone else in the top 50 and I really resent anyone who disputes that.
Oldest tdf winner since ww2, never a bad day, smoked the itt, never looked tired. surrounde himself with the clean team. how can anyone even hint at him being anything less than clean? Ridiculous. This tour was the cleanest in decades.

 

[blackcat]

I got yer back, acf, Cadel is as clean as everyone else in the top 50 and I really resent anyone who disputes that.
Oldest tdf winner since ww2, never a bad day, smoked the itt, never looked tired. surrounde himself with the clean team. how can anyone even hint at him being anything less than clean? Ridiculous. This tour was the cleanest in decades.

reason why he can win at 34. Cos the eogenous hormones. Not the endogenous stuff. Reason why folks stopped pedalling before 30 in the 60's and 7-'s and 80's. It was not economic and entering the real world. Their bodies did not recover naturally.

 

[Wallace]

reason why he can win at 34. Cos the eogenous hormones. Not the endogenous stuff. Reason why folks stopped pedalling before 30 in the 60's and 7-'s and 80's. It was not economic and entering the real world. Their bodies did not recover naturally.

Tell that to Joop Zoetemelk.

And of course riders having shorter careers would have nothing to do with the longer seasons they raced then, and the much higher number of races done in a season. Nothing at all.

 

[blackcat]

Tell that to Joop Zoetemelk.

And of course riders having shorter careers would have nothing to do with the longer seasons they raced then, and the much higher number of races done in a season. Nothing at all.

average races at 60days per season. They may have raced more days previously in fact, to put cash in their pockets

 

[Franklin]

Tell that to Joop Zoetemelk.

And of course riders having shorter careers would have nothing to do with the longer seasons they raced then, and the much higher number of races done in a season. Nothing at all.

Don't bother with historical facts... people are discussing that Cadel doing well in the last IT is unheard of for a TdF winner

Pointing out that the last fifty years a TdF winner almost never finishes out of the top three in the last ITT is met with stone silence.

 

[craig1985]

riding a 4:15 @18 or 19

I thought Phinney had a big jaw or something. Mind you it was pretty cringeworthy last year when he he expressed his displeasure at Vino in winning L-B-L.

 

[Ferminal]

I thought Phinney had a big jaw or something. Mind you it was pretty cringeworthy last year when he he expressed his displeasure at Vino in winning L-B-L.

Phinney = genetic doping.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

There are rumours about his parents, and I am not sure that anyone who hangs around with Armstrong, Och, Rihs and Lelange is getting an education in how to ride clean.

But he speaks english so he must be clean. And he hates Vino which proves he is anti-doping.

 

[El Pistolero]

Don't bother with historical facts... people are discussing that Cadel doing well in the last IT is unheard of for a TdF winner

Pointing out that the last fifty years a TdF winner almost never finishes out of the top three in the last ITT is met with stone silence.

But when was the last time Cuddles placed second in a GT time trial?

 

[blackcat]

But when was the last time Cuddles placed second in a GT time trial?

to Vino, before he got popped, in... 2007? TDF 2007

He could always tt. Like Contador could always tt.

Came 3rd in the worldjnr tt on Robbie Mcewens tt bike, as a competitive mtb'er. Always could ride against the clock. And handles himself well in echelons and cross winds, unlike other climbers.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

reason why he can win at 34. Cos the eogenous hormones. Not the endogenous stuff. Reason why folks stopped pedalling before 30 in the 60's and 7-'s and 80's. It was not economic and entering the real world. Their bodies did not recover naturally.

What, they didn't have test, AAS and cortisone before the 90's?

riding a 4:15 @18 or 19

Everything is proof of doping in your mind! If a rider is great from an early age, it can't be because he's talented, but because they got him on a program early. And if a succesful rider didn't produce remarkable results early on, it is of course evidence that he's a donkey transformed into a race horse by illegal drugs.

 

[ggusta]

Don't bother with historical facts... people are discussing that Cadel doing well in the last IT is unheard of for a TdF winner

Pointing out that the last fifty years a TdF winner almost never finishes out of the top three in the last ITT is met with stone silence.

And Evans performance in the mountains compared to his prior performances in mountains is almost met with stone silence. He looked as fresh as a daisy at the end of the TT. AC gave it his all on Tuesday and Wednesday, then Andy goes Landis (or attempts to) on Thursday, then Alberto again on Friday and Saturday. No big whoop.

In the immortal words of Journey's Steve Perry....'Don't Stop Believin' ' It's all good. We all want to believe. But I have plum worn out that step on the stairs waitin' for Saint Nick. I am headin' off to bed. A train sets still a train set.

Go watch the Landis interview again. If you can't figure out how it works, then god help ya.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

And Evans performance in the mountains compared to his prior performances in mountains is almost met with stone silence. He looked as fresh as a daisy at the end of the TT.

In the immortal words of Journey's Steve Perry....'Don't Stop Believin' ' It's all good. We all want to believe. But I have plum worn out that step on the stairs waitin' for Saint Nick. I am headin' off to bed. A train sets still a train set.

I'll bite.
What has been different about his "performance in the mountains"?

 

[issoisso]

I thought Phinney had a big jaw or something. Mind you it was pretty cringeworthy last year when he he expressed his displeasure at Vino in winning L-B-L.

It made me reach for my video of Davis Phinney going on a tirade about how Delgado "is a great champion and shouldn't be disqualified from the Tour just because he tested positive"

 

[Mr. O'Clock]

I thought Phinney had a big jaw or something. Mind you it was pretty cringeworthy last year when he he expressed his displeasure at Vino in winning L-B-L.

I think it is really important for the vino lovers, who are mostly big haters of Armstrong Horner and Levi to watch meant in and vino in the o seven tour. Especially the big sign behind vino, vino wins as vino comes back strong after a hard crash and sixty stitches, the vino lovers, lance haters just crack me up!

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

but he speaks english so he must be clean. And he hates vino which proves he is anti-doping.

LOL. Funny right there.

 

[craig1985]

There are rumours about his parents, and I am not sure that anyone who hangs around with Armstrong, Och, Rihs and Lelange is getting an education in how to ride clean.

But he speaks english so he must be clean. And he hates Vino which proves he is anti-doping.

I don't think Lance Armstrong, Levi Leipheimer (3 month suspension he copped at the start of his career), Tyler Hamilton, Floyd Landis, David Millar, Jonathan Vaughters (more or less admitted his guilt in the IM conversation with Frankie Andreau), the aforementioned Andreau, Matt White (rumours of him being a big-time charger in his career and sending Trent Lowe to the infamous Dr del Moral in Valencia), Stuart O'Grady (rode for Cofidis in 2004 and again the same rumours of him being a charger, which looks like hearsay at least), Neil Stephens (rode for Festina and has worked as a DS for Saiz), Michael Rogers (client of Dr Ferrari and is alleged to have gone to Freiburg to get a blood transfusion after stage 1 of the '06 Tour) are paragons of clean cycling (despite Millar's PR), and if anything, the English speakers are just as dirty, or perhaps even more dirtier than the rest. So don't insult my intelligence.

 

[halamala]

Dr. Michele Ferrari

In the summer of 2000, I got a phone call from Tony Rominger: "There is this MTB vice-world champion, Cadel Evans, who would like to pass onto road racing..."

http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=123

 

[Cloxxki]

Dr. Michele Ferrari
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=123

:-( Didn't know, didn't want to know. I wanted to believe he just did some hormones.

 

[blackcat]

:-( Didn't know, didn't want to know. I wanted to believe he just did some hormones.

Rene @Cyclingheroes, had this confirmed in an interview at pre-season w TMobile, face2face. Tho he has indeed always been in Sassi's stable til he passed

 

[Escarabajo]

Dr. Michele Ferrari
http://www.53x12.com/do/show?page=indepth.view&id=123

Why would he write this?

Does he want to send a message?

Tony Rominger is not the best company to have either.

http://89.167.143.76/showthread.php?t=13956

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

I don't think Lance Armstrong, Levi Leipheimer (3 month suspension he copped at the start of his career), Tyler Hamilton, Floyd Landis, David Millar, Jonathan Vaughters (more or less admitted his guilt in the IM conversation with Frankie Andreau), the aforementioned Andreau, Matt White (rumours of him being a big-time charger in his career and sending Trent Lowe to the infamous Dr del Moral in Valencia), Stuart O'Grady (rode for Cofidis in 2004 and again the same rumours of him being a charger, which looks like hearsay at least), Neil Stephens (rode for Festina and has worked as a DS for Saiz), Michael Rogers (client of Dr Ferrari and is alleged to have gone to Freiburg to get a blood transfusion after stage 1 of the '06 Tour) are paragons of clean cycling (despite Millar's PR), and if anything, the English speakers are just as dirty, or perhaps even more dirtier than the rest. So don't insult my intelligence.

I was being sarcastic. However, there are lots of people who believe that the only people who dope are shifty greasy euros, not the good clean anglophones.

I saw one comment today that the evidence for a cleaner tour was that Cuddles and Frodo won and they wouldn't have been able to win if there had been doping.

Will Fotheringham whose writing has gone down the toilet was busy hyping up how many wins 'anti-doping teams' like Sky, Garmin and HCT had as evidence of a cleaner tour.

 

[roundabout]

Why would he write this?

Does he want to send a message?

Tony Rominger is not the best company to have either.

http://89.167.143.76/showthread.php?t=13956

Self-promotion, name dropping, a little anecdote from the past?

Having recognized the ability of a future Tour winner can only help attract more people to Sankt Moritz.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

I'll bite.
What has been different about his "performance in the mountains"?

Did that performance look like his usual performance to you? Perhaps people get better with age.