Something's Beginning to Stink

[Cycle Chic]

Froome is Kenyan, what are you on about?

born in Kenya brought up in South Africa.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Fraulein, comes up with ridiculous stuff sometimes.

 

[hrotha]

I don't understand what your trying to say is going on here? I don't see anything weird at all about Gerrans and Impey both wearing yellow.

You kinda sound like a conspiracy theorist.

No "kinda" about it. Look up her threads

 

[Cookster15]

This is perfect to attract the Aussie viewers / money/QUOTE]

Aussie viewers? Well for a start, Aussies doing well at the Tour since Phil Anderson in the 80's and a consistent flow of successful riders and/or results ever since has taken care of the TV ratings - no need for Phat Pat's interference.

Secondly, Australia's population is just 23 Million - a small fraction of Europe and USA. What is the potential economic gain by a massive increase in Aussie viewers? I'd say about 1 or 2 percent at most - hardly warranting conspiracy theories in the Clinic.

Australia has been well ahead of Britain in the country rankings until the rise of Wiggins, SKY and now Froome (all in the last two years). It was the success of Aussies in the Tour ever since Phil Anderson and culminating in Cadel's win that created the impetus for Green Edge. Your inference in this thread that Aussies have come from nowhere is at best ill informed and at worst ignorant.

 

[Cycle Chic]

This is perfect to attract the Aussie viewers / money/QUOTE]

Aussie viewers? Well for a start, Aussies doing well at the Tour since Phil Anderson in the 80's and a consistent flow of successful riders and/or results ever since has taken care of the TV ratings - no need for Phat Pat's interference.

Secondly, Australia's population is just 23 Million - a small fraction of Europe and USA. What is the potential economic gain by a massive increase in Aussie viewers? I'd say about 1 or 2 percent at most - hardly warranting conspiracy theories in the Clinic.

Australia has been well ahead of Britain in the country rankings until the rise of Wiggins, SKY and now Froome (all in the last two years). It was the success of Aussies in the Tour ever since Phil Anderson and culminating in Cadel's win that created the impetus for Green Edge. Your inference in this thread that Aussies have come from nowhere is at best ill informed and at worst ignorant.

Which Australian Team have ever won a stage at the Tour ? Which British team up until last year ever won a stage at the tour ? answer = zero cause none existed.

Look at how the Cycling world has changed in just 1 year....who would ever have predicted that Great Britain, Australia and Africa would have been leading / winning and expected to win the TDF....and who owns SKY ? who will tune into Sky to watch the next cycle races, next years Tour ? its all helping to increase Cyclings profile.

and don't bother mentioning Lance...he's already yesterdays fish and chip paper.

 

[ebandit]

turn baby turn

Which Australian Team have ever won a stage at the Tour ? Which British team up until last year ever won a stage at the tour ? answer = zero cause none existed.

.............the lady............is not...........for turning

Mark L

 

[ebandit]

turn baby turn

Which Australian Team have ever won a stage at the Tour ? Which British team up until last year ever won a stage at the tour ? answer = zero cause none existed.

the lady...............is not for turning

Mark L

 

[Cookster15]

Which Australian Team have ever won a stage at the Tour ? Which British team up until last year ever won a stage at the tour ? answer = zero cause none existed.

Look at how the Cycling world has changed in just 1 year....who would ever have predicted that Great Britain, Australia and Africa would have been leading / winning and expected to win the TDF....and who owns SKY ? who will tune into Sky to watch the next cycle races, next years Tour ? its all helping to increase Cyclings profile.

and don't bother mentioning Lance...he's already yesterdays fish and chip paper.

You still haven't made your case on economic grounds -or are you now widening your theory to include Britain as well? Without adding British success into the equation the potential economic gains of your conspiracy theory simply doesn't add up. BTW - No, Lance never came into my thoughts.

Sorry but the term I use for all this is 'far fetched'.

 

[Cycle Chic]

You still haven't made your case on economic grounds -or are you now widening your theory to include Britain as well? Without adding British success into the equation the potential economic gains of your conspiracy theory simply doesn't add up. BTW - No, Lance never came into my thoughts.

Sorry but the term I use for all this is 'far fetched'.

well if the Australian population is 23million...that's quite a lot of revenue if the subscriptions to Sky increase. And its not just viewing figures which of course means money....what about sponsorship revenues ? wont these wins mean an increase in sponsors interest ? look at the exposure that Orica are getting...Jayco.

Its the English speaking market that Cycling wants...Spain, France and Italy are stagnant.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

well if the Australian population is 23million...that's quite a lot of revenue if the subscriptions to Sky increase. And its not just viewing figures which of course means money....what about sponsorship revenues ? wont these wins mean an increase in sponsors interest ? look at the exposure that Orica are getting...Jayco.

Its the English speaking market that Cycling wants...Spain, France and Italy are stagnant.

I can understand that the TDF route may have set up to suit Wiggins last year, that they forged a failed test for Contador so he would be out of the way and then gave Sky a free pass to dope as much as they liked. Whilst I think that's a load of nonsense, I can see that it is possible.

How, though, do you fix it so that OGE win the team time trial by a second, Gerrans wins a stage by millimetres and Impey gets yellow by a matter of seconds from dozens of riders without even coming close to winning a stage?

 

[Cookster15]

well if the Australian population is 23million...that's quite a lot of revenue if the subscriptions to Sky increase. And its not just viewing figures which of course means money....what about sponsorship revenues ? wont these wins mean an increase in sponsors interest ? look at the exposure that Orica are getting...Jayco.

Its the English speaking market that Cycling wants...Spain, France and Italy are stagnant.

So you are widening the theory to include Britain? Of course a company like Orica pays for getting exposure but that is the same for any company that sponsors sport. It does not mean athletes are being doped in the case of Greenedge.

As for Australia's population, you need to remember Cycling is a minor sport here compared with 4 codes of Football, Cricket, Tennis, Golf etc. So that dilutes the economic arguments even further. For Orica, they are looking to increase international exposure via Cycling capitalizing on the string of Australian riders success over a long period of time now, quite normal.

As others have pointed out if Greenedge is pulling in the mountains you might have some case for the Clinic but I think that is virtually zero chance. We can leave Sky to the Sky thread, it's big enough as it is

 

[peterst6906]

well if the Australian population is 23million...that's quite a lot of revenue if the subscriptions to Sky increase.

Really, what? Let me get this right. You are saying it's a huge Phat conspiracy in order to get Australians to subscribe to an English pay tv company to watch a race that is available in Australia on a free-to-air government tv station right across the country.

That's just idiotic, but at least it's consistent with your opening post as well.

If this thread has 'nothing to do with doping', why is it in the clinic?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

well if the Australian population is 23million...that's quite a lot of revenue if the subscriptions to Sky increase. And its not just viewing figures which of course means money....what about sponsorship revenues ? wont these wins mean an increase in sponsors interest ? look at the exposure that Orica are getting...Jayco.

Its the English speaking market that Cycling wants...Spain, France and Italy are stagnant.

That would be interesting, except for the small fact Sky are not in Australia and the tour is hosted by SBS.


However none of that beats your earlier post

nb. Cadel Evans was some time ago - and he lives in Switzerland and considers himself French.....we now have Orica flying the true aussie flag.

Cadel considers himself French.

 

[thehog]

That would be interesting, except for the small fact Sky are not in Australia and the tour is hosted by SBS.

Huh?

News Corp are an Australian company.

News Corp is on the Sky jersey.

Rupert Mudoch is Australian by blood until media ownership laws made him change his citizenship.

Sky have a different name in Australia. But it's still Sky.

Sky couldn't be anymore Australian. More Australian than British.

Yes, Pedro?

 

[Rip:30]

Why do the French generally suck at the Tour day France?

 

[Cookster15]

Huh?

News Corp are an Australian company.

News Corp is on the Sky jersey.

Rupert Mudoch is Australian by blood until media ownership laws made him change his citizenship.

Sky have a different name in Australia. But it's still Sky.

Sky couldn't be anymore Australian. More Australian than British.

Yes, Pedro?

Sure but as Peterst6906 said this conspiracy is then about getting Australians to subscribe to watch a race that is available in Australia on a free-to-air government tv station right across the country.

 

[Netserk]

Why do the French generally suck at the Tour day France?

Ask Europcar.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Great topic, tip of the hat.

 

[thehog]

Sure but as Peterst6906 said this conspiracy is then about getting Australians to subscribe to watch a race that is available in Australia on a free-to-air government tv station right across the country.

I don't care to be honest.

Sky is Australian.

SBS is not free to air. It has commercials and is funded by the tax payer.

It is not available across the country as it uses an alternate frequency.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Sure but as Peterst6906 said this conspiracy is then about getting Australians to subscribe to watch a race that is available in Australia on a free-to-air government tv station right across the country.

do I have to say it again - I am not accusing orica of doping...I am stating that this is a UCI set up to encourage a wider audience for cycling...English speaking...it started with the UK last 2 years and recently the huge exposure that MTN Quebeka have. Its now Australia.

You seem to be clinging to the tv subscriptions - that's only part of the revenues that add to the money pot.

And as you correctly point out - it is very small margins that got Orica the wins....a little easier to 'manipulate' than minutes.

 

[thehog]

do I have to say it again - I am not accusing orica of doping...I am stating that this is a UCI set up to encourage a wider audience for cycling...English speaking...it started with the UK last 2 years and recently the huge exposure that MTN Quebeka have. Its now Australia.

You seem to be clinging to the tv subscriptions - that's only part of the revenues that add to the money pot.

And as you correctly point out - it is very small margins that got Orica the wins....a little easier to 'manipulate' than minutes.

If I was building a doping super team I'd add Matt White (party drugs) and Neil Stephens.

Orica are fully equipped.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Sure but as Peterst6906 said this conspiracy is then about getting Australians to subscribe to watch a race that is available in Australia on a free-to-air government tv station right across the country.

Wow - this must mean the Australian Government are in on this conspiracy too? This is deep.
Perhaps they did this because Cadel considers himself French and this is a way to get back at him - pretty sneaky.

 

[Afrank]

do I have to say it again - I am not accusing orica of doping...I am stating that this is a UCI set up to encourage a wider audience for cycling...English speaking...it started with the UK last 2 years and recently the huge exposure that MTN Quebeka have. Its now Australia.

You seem to be clinging to the tv subscriptions - that's only part of the revenues that add to the money pot.

And as you correctly point out - it is very small margins that got Orica the wins....a little easier to 'manipulate' than minutes.

If the UCI is setting all this up, then I'd like to know your answer to this question.

How, though, do you fix it so that OGE win the team time trial by a second, Gerrans wins a stage by millimetres and Impey gets yellow by a matter of seconds from dozens of riders without even coming close to winning a stage?

 

[TheBean]

I heard that a winner from Antarctica would bring gazillions into the cycling, from new sponsors like Penguin Bank and Seal Investment

WHOA!!!

You are onto something!

And here I sit looking for the next TdF winner to emerge from the enormous markets in China and India and - the dark horse of the bunch - Indonesia.

Antarctica might just be the next continent to dominate, but their developmental programs are at least 3 to 5 years from being refined enough to truly contest, IMO.

As for Indonesia, Al Queda hates lycra. So there are some considerations about what the kit should be made of.

The only thing that truly stinks are the hopes of France.

 

[peterst6906]

I don't care to be honest.

Says it all really.