SRAM Wireless

[JackRabbitSlims]

no snobbery at all

at some point in time
you realise quality design and engineering over the others
this can take some time to understand
be patient

everyone has different wants and needs
there are providers catering to these wants and needs

click click
angry bees angry bees

the beautiful harmony of Campagnolo and Chris King making sweet sweet love on the bicycle
please enjoy

 

[King Boonen]

Snobbery? I can barely afford a 105 groupset, both Sram and Campy are out of my range in reality.

Sram breaks, much more often than anything else. There's a reason it's been dropped by all but one WT team and it's nothing to do with struggling for capital. Pros don't trust it, simple as.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

105

goes very well

everything shimano does
trickles down the line

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

105

goes very well

everything shimano does
trickles down the line

Yep. Even if I could afford better I doubt I'd buy it! Works perfectly for me.


Although, my mate is swapping his Ultegra group for Sram. I've told him not to but I've got first dips on the Ultegra bits!

 

[ray j willings]

Re:

Snobbery? I can barely afford a 105 groupset, both Sram and Campy are out of my range in reality.

Sram breaks, much more often than anything else. There's a reason it's been dropped by all but one WT team and it's nothing to do with struggling for capital. Pros don't trust it, simple as.

King you can get some great deals if you hunt about. I picked up my red Derailuers [ new] for £20 each.
A lot of riders are switching to electronic ...I am not shy to make an offer.
I picked up my brand new cannondale SISL crankset for £250. I picked up my UMS FORKS retail £900 I got them for £170. bargains are out there if you can spend a little time looking around a few sites and cycle forums.
Campy is def the most expensive 2nd hand of the three groupsets.

what did you think of the sram- campy mash up in the link. You would never have thought Campy would work with red...

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

Snobbery? I can barely afford a 105 groupset, both Sram and Campy are out of my range in reality.

Sram breaks, much more often than anything else. There's a reason it's been dropped by all but one WT team and it's nothing to do with struggling for capital. Pros don't trust it, simple as.

King you can get some great deals if you hunt about. I picked up my red Derailuers [ new] for £20 each.
A lot of riders are switching to electronic ...I am not shy to make an offer.
I picked up my brand new cannondale SISL crankset for £250. I picked up my UMS FORKS retail £900 I got them for £170. bargains are out there if you can spend a little time looking around a few sites and cycle forums.
Campy is def the most expensive 2nd hand of the three groupsets.

what did you think of the sram- campy mash up in the link. You would never have thought Campy would work with red...

That crankset would be my whole groupset budget!! I want to rebuild my fixed wheel with bits from these guys:

http://www.interlocracing.com

Beautiful cranks!


I don't speak German. How did they deal with the differing cable pull ratios?

 

[42x16ss]

Re:

Snobbery? I can barely afford a 105 groupset, both Sram and Campy are out of my range in reality.

Sram breaks, much more often than anything else. There's a reason it's been dropped by all but one WT team and it's nothing to do with struggling for capital. Pros don't trust it, simple as.

105 is an excellent groupset, if you want a cheap performance bike keep your eyes out for a low use 10s group 2nd hand, or Centaur, it's generally the same or slightly cheaper than 105 and the red variant looks cool too.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

shimano 105 groupset 5800 11spd

$537.00 nzd free delivery

wiggle

cheap cheap
like the budgie

 

[Bustedknuckle]

I think there is def some kind of snobbery against Sram. My least favourite is Campy it makes that click sound.
My friend Adi rides it, super record. Its so noisy click click click. He finds the noise reassuring.
It's just not my cup of tea. Got a middle aged golf man vibe about. Looks nice. Looks better like this
mash up of campy and Red [scroll down page]

http://www.forum.light-bikes.de/showthread.php?t=23057&page=7

Yup, strangely enough, a Campag 10s shifter will shift a sram rear der, shimano 10s spacing. But ya gotta change the rear der when it's either recalled or breaks.

 

[ray j willings]

Re: Re:

Snobbery? I can barely afford a 105 groupset, both Sram and Campy are out of my range in reality.

Sram breaks, much more often than anything else. There's a reason it's been dropped by all but one WT team and it's nothing to do with struggling for capital. Pros don't trust it, simple as.

King you can get some great deals if you hunt about. I picked up my red Derailuers [ new] for £20 each.
A lot of riders are switching to electronic ...I am not shy to make an offer.
I picked up my brand new cannondale SISL crankset for £250. I picked up my UMS FORKS retail £900 I got them for £170. bargains are out there if you can spend a little time looking around a few sites and cycle forums.
Campy is def the most expensive 2nd hand of the three groupsets.

what did you think of the sram- campy mash up in the link. You would never have thought Campy would work with red...

That crankset would be my whole groupset budget!! I want to rebuild my fixed wheel with bits from these guys:

http://www.interlocracing.com

Beautiful cranks!


I don't speak German. How did they deal with the differing cable pull ratios?

Campy to red I presume? The ratio is not to bad I think its around [from memory] a mm over the whole cassette so it works very well indeed.
I do like that set up in the link I posted. Its a 10speed red mech but he's [fastdad] using 11 speed shifters , 11 speed cassette and it all works fine. I'm always on the lookout for some cheap 10speed record shifters ...I like the idea of that combo but 10 speed for me [wheels]
Did you see the jockey wheels on the red mech . Its a very innovative design, I think fastdad is going to sell them. He made a 7800 that weighs 64grms He has access to some fantastic machinery. There's only so much you can do with a dremel

The interlocracing stuff ,,,very tasty ,,,cranks and headsets look the business.

 

[richwagmn]

Looks like FSA has made some nice improvements to their coming groupset.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/07/video/video-gcn-checks-out-fsas-new-electronic-group_378947

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

what improvements have they made

i wish them all the very best against the well established players in the market

price point will be interesting

imho electronic & wireless shifting systems are solutions looking for problems

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Re: Re:

sram is an acronym comprising the names of its founders, scott, ray, and sam

Thought it was scott, paul and sam..or scott, chris and sam..

Bardet in TdF, 19th stage, trying to 'shift' his front der by banging on it with his heel..brought to you by?

spam. what a surprise. Caught on TV too..bet the boys in Chicago are shiteing their breeches.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

yes

very untidy
to say the least

prompted a very quick bike change as well

ho hum
what will become

 

[Benotti69]

Re: Re:

sram is an acronym comprising the names of its founders, scott, ray, and sam

Thought it was scott, paul and sam..or scott, chris and sam..

Bardet in TdF, 19th stage, trying to 'shift' his front der by banging on it with his heel..brought to you by?

spam. what a surprise. Caught on TV too..bet the boys in Chicago are shiteing their breeches.

What happened to the days of teams rebadging other products....see it with tubs and wheelsets

I mean they could bought some campy stuff and stuck sram stickers on it.......

I am surprised that guys accept the frames they are given. So many guys had their own steel frames made to measure, why dont riders find the perfect frame for them and get them sprayed up in team colours?

Probably contractually they have to use the stuff, so no choice.......

 

[King Boonen]

Re: Re:

sram is an acronym comprising the names of its founders, scott, ray, and sam

Thought it was scott, paul and sam..or scott, chris and sam..

Bardet in TdF, 19th stage, trying to 'shift' his front der by banging on it with his heel..brought to you by?

spam. what a surprise. Caught on TV too..bet the boys in Chicago are shiteing their breeches.

What happened to the days of teams rebadging other products....see it with tubs and wheelsets

I mean they could bought some campy stuff and stuck sram stickers on it.......

I am surprised that guys accept the frames they are given. So many guys had their own steel frames made to measure, why dont riders find the perfect frame for them and get them sprayed up in team colours?

Probably contractually they have to use the stuff, so no choice.......

Different conventions I suppose. Steel frames all looked the same anyway (ok, they didn't but it was a lot less obvious ) so no problem with getting one made and resprayed in team livery. I think compact geometry is also supposed to make single frames fit a wider range of riders, so frame sizing is less of a factor in fit (might be rubbish though?).

No chance you could badge up a groupset, they're much too different so I'm sure it's contractual. Imagine if AG2R were seen riding rebadge Dura-Ace, it could well cause the end for Sram groups on the road.

Tyres, people seem to think that certain tyres suit certain conditions so rebadging is less frowned on, it's also less noticeable to the casual fan. I'm guessing the vast majority of the watching public aren't going to be able to tell a rebadged FMB...

 

[craptastic]

I think there is def some kind of snobbery against Sram. My least favourite is Campy it makes that click sound.
My friend Adi rides it, super record. Its so noisy click click click. He finds the noise reassuring.
It's just not my cup of tea. Got a middle aged golf man vibe about. Looks nice. Looks better like this
mash up of campy and Red [scroll down page]

http://www.forum.light-bikes.de/showthread.php?t=23057&page=7

I'm middle aged and I'd gladly take campy any day. the amount on complete replacement of shimano parts I've done to campy over the last 35 yrs is ridiculous. Campy wears in. Shimano wears out.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

Re: Re:

sram is an acronym comprising the names of its founders, scott, ray, and sam

Thought it was scott, paul and sam..or scott, chris and sam..

Bardet in TdF, 19th stage, trying to 'shift' his front der by banging on it with his heel..brought to you by?

spam. what a surprise. Caught on TV too..bet the boys in Chicago are shiteing their breeches.

What happened to the days of teams rebadging other products....see it with tubs and wheelsets

I mean they could bought some campy stuff and stuck sram stickers on it.......

I am surprised that guys accept the frames they are given. So many guys had their own steel frames made to measure, why dont riders find the perfect frame for them and get them sprayed up in team colours?

Probably contractually they have to use the stuff, so no choice.......

Different conventions I suppose. Steel frames all looked the same anyway (ok, they didn't but it was a lot less obvious ) so no problem with getting one made and resprayed in team livery. I think compact geometry is also supposed to make single frames fit a wider range of riders, so frame sizing is less of a factor in fit (might be rubbish though?).

No chance you could badge up a groupset, they're much too different so I'm sure it's contractual. Imagine if AG2R were seen riding rebadge Dura-Ace, it could well cause the end for Sram groups on the road.

Tyres, people seem to think that certain tyres suit certain conditions so rebadging is less frowned on, it's also less noticeable to the casual fan. I'm guessing the vast majority of the watching public aren't going to be able to tell a rebadged FMB...

much rebadging still going on in the pro peloton

not like the old motorola days when the whole bike was a ti merckx rebadged as a trek

tyres saddles pedals shoes & wheels seem to be the common rebadged items

rebadging a whole grouppo would be classic to see
but completely unrealistic unfortunately

like most things these days
it comes down to the dollar dollar bills

i would hazard a guess
ag2r la mondial will be on the search for a new group set provider
asap

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

I think there is def some kind of snobbery against Sram. My least favourite is Campy it makes that click sound.
My friend Adi rides it, super record. Its so noisy click click click. He finds the noise reassuring.
It's just not my cup of tea. Got a middle aged golf man vibe about. Looks nice. Looks better like this
mash up of campy and Red [scroll down page]

http://www.forum.light-bikes.de/showthread.php?t=23057&page=7

I'm middle aged and I'd gladly take campy any day. the amount on complete replacement of shimano parts I've done to campy over the last 35 yrs is ridiculous. Campy wears in. Shimano wears out.

i doubt being middle aged has much of an influence

if you're riding your bike
plenty
parts wear out

new chain cables brake pads jockey wheels bar tape
are the obvious selection

over time and many many kms
chain rings and cassettes
need replacing

these wear out with campy as well
they don't wear in unfortunately

i suppose
we all have our preference

to say that one wears in
and one wears out

is quite simply not true
all imho ofc

 

[Bustedknuckle]

I think there is def some kind of snobbery against Sram. My least favourite is Campy it makes that click sound.
My friend Adi rides it, super record. Its so noisy click click click. He finds the noise reassuring.
It's just not my cup of tea. Got a middle aged golf man vibe about. Looks nice. Looks better like this
mash up of campy and Red [scroll down page]

http://www.forum.light-bikes.de/showthread.php?t=23057&page=7

I'm middle aged and I'd gladly take campy any day. the amount on complete replacement of shimano parts I've done to campy over the last 35 yrs is ridiculous. Campy wears in. Shimano wears out.

i doubt being middle aged has much of an influence

if your riding your bike
plenty
parts wear out

new chain cables brake pads jockey wheels bar tape
are the obvious selection

over time and many many kms
chain rings and cassettes
need replacing

these wear out with campy as well
they don't wear in unfortunately

i suppose
we all have our preference

to say that one wears in
and one wears out

is quite simply not true
all imho ofc

I think his point is the very best a shimano shifter will feel and work is the first day. There are 2 types of shimano shifters, those that have broken and those that will. same with spam. At least Campagnolo can be repaired. I have overhauled or fixed maybe 300 or so in the 23 years since ERGO has been around. Even with warranty, I fix. CampagnoloNA supplies the part, like a thumb button broken in the box.

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

so we can both agree that shimano and campy parts will wear out
thats a given

mr craptastic didn't specifically mention shifters
i read complete replacement of shimano parts
semantics

campy can be repaired overhauled serviced when required with the specific parts
thats a great feature and a welcome one for some consumers
and mechanics

imho
i wouldn't classify this as wearing in

not looking to battle or argue
as i said
we all have our preferences options and bias

i have loved campy in the past
but she let me down

I am now courting dura ace

i hope she is not mutton dressed up as lamb

 

[craptastic]

I think there is def some kind of snobbery against Sram. My least favourite is Campy it makes that click sound.
My friend Adi rides it, super record. Its so noisy click click click. He finds the noise reassuring.
It's just not my cup of tea. Got a middle aged golf man vibe about. Looks nice. Looks better like this
mash up of campy and Red [scroll down page]

http://www.forum.light-bikes.de/showthread.php?t=23057&page=7

I'm middle aged and I'd gladly take campy any day. the amount on complete replacement of shimano parts I've done to campy over the last 35 yrs is ridiculous. Campy wears in. Shimano wears out.

i doubt being middle aged has much of an influence

if your riding your bike
plenty
parts wear out

new chain cables brake pads jockey wheels bar tape
are the obvious selection

over time and many many kms
chain rings and cassettes
need replacing

these wear out with campy as well
they don't wear in unfortunately

i suppose
we all have our preference

to say that one wears in
and one wears out

is quite simply not true
all imho ofc

I think his point is the very best a shimano shifter will feel and work is the first day. There are 2 types of shimano shifters, those that have broken and those that will. same with spam. At least Campagnolo can be repaired. I have overhauled or fixed maybe 300 or so in the 13 years since ERGO has been around. Even with warranty, I fix. CampagnoloNA supplies the part, like a thumb button broken in the box.

Exactly this. My old shimano worn parts ended up in the trash, anything campy was rebuilt and still solid. A friend of mine is restoring his 80s DeRosa and it ain't shimano, sram or suntour that's going on it - it's vintage campy that still functions flawlessly

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

very good

you will have no argument from me

an 80's italian bike
being restored
must have campy

no question

currently retrofitting my bianchi pista ss with
campy

please enjoy
riding your bike(s)
whatever you have

 

[JackRabbitSlims]

as per our previous discussion

further up the line

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tour-de-france-bike-tech-the-pros-dont-want-you-to-know-about/

 

[42x16ss]

A good look at the upcoming FSA groupset as used by Argon-18 at the TdF.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2015/07/tour-de-france-tech-fsas-prototype-electronic-groupset/

It's a little way off yet in terms of refinement but there's a few cool things I noticed like standard coax cables and connectors at the derailleurs rather than proprietary ones and what looks like a single servo for each derailleur too. Nice to see a company keeping things simple.

Looks promising.