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Arnout said:This would indicate to me that Quintana didn't understand the red flag was for neutralization.
Giro officials released a statement late Tuesday: “In consideration of audio recordings of instructions relayed to [team directors] during today’s stage, the directors of the Giro d’Italia would like to clarify that Race Radio provided an inaccurate interpretation of the indications stipulated by the directors. As previously stated, the intention was to guarantee rider safety during the first section of the descent (the first six hairpins, approximately 1500 m) of the Passo dello Stelvio, where visibility was restricted due to low cloud and fog. At no point did Race Radio or the Directors of the Giro make reference to the possible neutralization of any part of the descent.”
Cimber said:On the Race Radio they clearly stated that the flag meant more than that.
Carols said:Now it all makes sense. What a shame it cast a pall on what should have been an Epic day to remember. Also a Great reason to ban rider radios. Just let them race!!!
icefire said:I watched the full stage last night from RAI. Before the race reached the summit of Stelvio commentators described the decision made by the race direction and they said very clearly that it was not any sort of race neutralization. Maybe RAI commentators do not understand Italian, or maybe race organizer told different things to different people.
Cimber said:Ask RCS - they are the ones who screwed it all up in the first place.
True it's impossible to know how big the gap would have been, 1 min., 2 min. if they would have been together at the beginning of the climb. But 2 min. is a good compromise considering all factors including Quintana's attack with no help on final climb and the unorganized maglia-rosa group chase in the flatter sections. RCS screwed up, period. Bottom line, they need to come up with a magic number so most teams are happy before the ITT.Red Rick said:This is such bull****, if Quintana is in the MR group at the start of the climb to Val Martello he either doesn't attack untill the last 10k (or later) and probably gains less or he rides the same mtt up the climb where Hesjedal and Rolland lost 10s and 1m respectively. It's hard to believe all the other GC guy's would lose more than that
See my sig.Carols said:Now it all makes sense. What a shame it cast a pall on what should have been an Epic day to remember. Also a Great reason to ban rider radios. Just let them race!!!
Zam_Olyas said:Daniel Lloyd @daniellloyd1 1h
Not sure what all the fuss is about. A fine was handed out last night. #sorted
cineteq said:True it's impossible to know how big the gap would have been, 1 min., 2 min. if they would have been together at the beginning of the climb. But 2 min. is a good compromise considering all factors including Quintana's attack with no help on final climb and the unorganized maglia-rosa group chase in the flatter sections. RCS screwed up, period. Bottom line, they need to come up with a magic number so most teams are happy before the ITT.
Rubbish is to think otherwise. If not done Quintana will be hated forever and ever by the peloton, you chooseDazed and Confused said:Rubbish, you can't come up with an arbitrary number. It would be farcical.
Like half the peloton already hates Movistar anyway. Looking forward to Valverde paying the bill for this at the Tour.cineteq said:Rubbish is to think otherwise. If not done Quintana will be hated forever and ever by the peloton, you choose
luckyboy said:https://twitter.com/l_guercilena/status/471541046359625728
Marco Velo driver of Safety moto"my red flag was up,quintana pass me"! Still some doubts???#DSbadinterpretation pic.twitter.com/nndC4sUATf
"I raised the red flag - says the ex-pro from Brescia - but Quintana signalled several times for me to accelerate and then overtook us and went away"
We all know Valverde will lose his GC one stage, probably the cobbled one.hrotha said:Like half the peloton already hates Movistar anyway. Looking forward to Valverde paying the bill for this at the Tour.
No one can deny Valverde's influence on Quintana (right Pozzo?). I agree Valverde/Movistar are going to pay for it, dearly in the Tour. Looking forward to seeing that too.hrotha said:Like half the peloton already hates Movistar anyway. Looking forward to Valverde paying the bill for this at the Tour.
scholar said:Agreed. There seem to be three more or less justifiable solutions, none of which is perfect: leave things as they are; neutralize the stage with respect to GC; disqualify those who overtook a red flat.
Leaving things as they are is probably the least unsatisfactory.
Red Rick said:Firing Vegni is a great idea, not because of what happened yesterday, but because it gives a possibiltiy for Zomegnan to become the bos of RCS again
Eshnar said:why should he want that.
hrotha said:Like half the peloton already hates Movistar anyway. Looking forward to Valverde paying the bill for this at the Tour.
simo1733 said:Ben Swift came 25th just behind Ivan Basso!
cineteq said:Rubbish is to think otherwise. If not done Quintana will be hated forever and ever by the peloton, you choose
FoxxyBrown1111 said:I don´t know where they got the 55 seconds from, but to reduce the lead by some amount is the best compromise, since nobody knows what Nairo and others knew or didn´t. Thus a DQ would be overacting.
Neutralize the stage is also no option b/c the hypocrites like Och, Tinkoff, and especially liar Lefevre had circa 40 km to tell their riders to try to close the gap. My guess: They didn´t, a.) because they counted on a protest after the stage and assumed it would be ruled in their favour anyway. What lowlifers... or, b.) They indeed told their riders to try to glose the gap, but riders couldn´t b/c out of power. Now to ask for neutralisation afterwards is cowardly, since they know at least some time gained by Nairo and Co. is legit. Again, what lowlifers. BTW, respect to Uran. He didn´t shift blame...
Solution: If those involved are grown up men, with at least a little integrity left, they would accept the only way possible. Making a compromise. AFAIR, the gap was between 1.37 and 1.45 at parts after the descent. Reduce that amount (1.45) of Rolland, Nairo and Hesj, and go on from there. Everybody would win. The fans having their spectacle with small time gaps, DSes and race organizers to save face, and riders in position to fight the CG out between themselves...
Is not about penalizing 'these guys', it's about RCS finding a solution for their mistake/confusion which affected the normal outcome of the race. There must be a way to comprise yesterday's results so most teams are happy. See this post below, it kind of make sense:Dazed and Confused said:If people want to penalize these guys, throw them all out of the race.
FoxxyBrown1111 said:I don´t know where they got the 55 seconds from, but to reduce the lead by some amount is the best compromise, since nobody knows what Nairo and others knew or didn´t. Thus a DQ would be overacting.
Neutralize the stage is also no option b/c the hypocrites like Och, Tinkoff, and especially liar Lefevre had circa 40 km to tell their riders to try to close the gap. My guess: They didn´t, a.) because they counted on a protest after the stage and assumed it would be ruled in their favour anyway. What lowlifers... or, b.) They indeed told their riders to try to glose the gap, but riders couldn´t b/c out of power. Now to ask for neutralisation afterwards is cowardly, since they know at least some time gained by Nairo and Co. is legit. Again, what lowlifers. BTW, respect to Uran. He didn´t shift blame...
Solution: If those involved are grown up men, with at least a little integrity left, they would accept the only way possible: Making a compromise. AFAIR, the gap was between 1.37 and 1.45 at parts after the descent. Reduce that amount (1.45) of Rolland, Nairo and Hesj, and go on from there. Everybody would win. The fans having their spectacle with small time gaps, DSes and race organizers to save face, and riders in position to fight the CG out between themselves...
cineteq said:Is not about penalizing 'these guys', it's about RCS finding a solution for their mistake/confusion which affected the normal outcome of the race. There must be a way to comprise yesterday's results so most teams are happy. See this post below, it kind of make sense: