Stage 16: Ponte Di Legno-Val Martello/Martelltal (139 km)

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Now if ALL teams agreed to remove 2 mins, and UCI is against.... Well, it just shows that it´s the same old club of narrow-minded men. Almost speechless about their incompetence.
 
King Boonen said:
Can anyone recap for me?

Seems that it's now confirmed it was neutralised and Quintana and Rolland (among others?) ignored it. Is that right?
No it's not. If Quintana and Rolland didn't know about the "neutralisation" (I don't care what the DS knew or didn't, it's about what the riders knew) then that's not correct.
 
the endless dilemma

for the 100th time: The red flags were there to indicated the riders to conserve their position on the first 1500 metres of the descend - I reckon the entire length of that descend was 28 km where conditions improved right after the first 5k. If the Organizers felt Quintana, Rolland & CO. were violating any road instructions - there was plenty of time & road to stop them - they never did so they simply carried on- as simple and plain as that:mad:
 
Dazed and Confused said:
Looks very clear to me.

No neutralization on the descent and therefore the race was on, all the way.

Sounds like we have lots of whiners and crybabies.
Looks very clear to me as well. Although race director didnt think it was neutralized, he communicated with race radio so poorly that broadcasters, DS, motorbike drivers thought thats what was meant, so everybody who actually participates in the race thought it was neutralized. Some just chose to ignore it.
 
May 25, 2009
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If Movistar really agree to a neutralisation, then they can simply stop Quintana on the road somewhere - either at the start of the TT, or at the end of a road stage. No need to pick a fight with the UCI
 
Dazed and Confused said:
Looks very clear to me.

No neutralization on the descent and therefore the race was on, all the way.

Sounds like we have lots of whiners and crybabies.
Yes it was clear to RCS and some teams. Not to the rest of the teams, as you could see how they waited to wear on jackets, etc and took it easy for some time of the descend. Understand that RCS is at fault here for not making the information clear well in advance.
 
Dazed and Confused said:
Looks very clear to me.

No neutralization on the descent and therefore the race was on, all the way.

Sounds like we have lots of whiners and crybabies.
I'll be honest, I don't understand the attitude (expressed by many posters here) reflected in this post.

If one thing is clear in this mess it's that the organizer's cocked up things royally and that communications broke down.

But, if what was communicated was that the descent was neutralized, and the team directors instructed their riders according to that understanding, how is it "whining" or being a "crybaby" to express frustration that a very small minority of the teams and riders did not respect the (supposed) neutralization?

I'm not at all convinced that Quintana and the others did anything "wrong," but they may very well have broken the rules, if you see the distinction. Without clearly communicated and enforced rules, then sport cannot exist.

As it stands, all the teams have communicated their desire to have a correction issued in the form of a time penalty to some of the riders. If no rules were broken, and nothing untoward occurred, then why would the teams who benefited agree to such?

But I'm drifting off my main point, which is that it's not whining to express frustration in a situation like this. Not only that, expressing that frustration may be the only responsible--and sporting--thing to do.
 
cineteq said:
Yes it was clear to RCS and some teams. Not to the rest of the teams, as you could see how they waited to wear on jackets, etc and took it easy for some time of the descend. Understand that RCS is at fault here for not making the information clear well in advance.
The more I look at this, the more I'm convinced the race was on and some teams made a mistake. Too bad, but hopefully they can now try and race aggressively. Sort of like Quintana, Rolland and Hesjedal.....
 
christopherrowe said:
I'll be honest, I don't understand the attitude (expressed by many posters here) reflected in this post.

If one thing is clear in this mess it's that the organizer's cocked up things royally and that communications broke down.

But, if what was communicated was that the descent was neutralized, and the team directors instructed their riders according to that understanding, how is it "whining" or being a "crybaby" to express frustration that a very small minority of the teams and riders did not respect the (supposed) neutralization?

I'm not at all convinced that Quintana and the others did anything "wrong," but they may very well have broken the rules, if you see the distinction. Without clearly communicated and enforced rules, then sport cannot exist.

As it stands, all the teams have communicated their desire to have a correction issued in the form of a time penalty to some of the riders. If no rules were broken, and nothing untoward occurred, then why would the teams who benefited agree to such?

But I'm drifting off my main point, which is that it's not whining to express frustration in a situation like this. Not only that, expressing that frustration may be the only responsible--and sporting--thing to do.

And we arrived at the real problem here. Many people here dont care about true nature of sport. As long as Colombian wins, even if it was by suckerpunching all of the opponents or throwing them all of the cliff they will be happy and everybody who even considers noting that not everything was in the spirit of sport rivalization is a whiner.
 
Dazed and Confused said:
The more I look at this, the more I'm convinced the race was on and some teams made a mistake. Too bad, but hopefully they can now try and race aggressively. Sort of like Quintana, Rolland and Hesjedal.....
You mean the majority. :rolleyes:

damian13ster said:
And we arrived at the real problem here. Many people here dont care about true nature of sport. As long as Colombian wins, even if it was by suckerpunching all of the opponents or throwing them all of the cliff they will be happy and everybody who even considers noting that not everything was in the spirit of sport rivalization is a whiner.
Touché! Finally, someone.
 
Netserk said:
Given the teams' press release it doesn't seem to be over, so no I don't think we just can forget about it.
Surely it's simple. If they broke the rules, they're disqualified. If they didn't, the stage stands and we get on with it.

From what people have said they went round motorbikes that were displaying a red flag. If they did, bye bye. If they didn't. Get on with it.
 
King Boonen said:
Surely it's simple. If they broke the rules, they're disqualified. If they didn't, the stage stands and we get on with it.

From what people have said they went round motorbikes that were displaying a red flag. If they did, bye bye. If they didn't. Get on with it.
Why ?
 
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William H said:
If Movistar really agree to a neutralisation, then they can simply stop Quintana on the road somewhere - either at the start of the TT, or at the end of a road stage. No need to pick a fight with the UCI
Yes, let's stop only Quintana, and do nothing about the 8-10 other guys who also didn't ride a pretend neutralized descent. That sounds fair. :rolleyes:
 

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