Stage 19: Friday, May 25: Treviso-Alpe di Pampeago. 198km

[Mellow Velo]

When will live feed/stream start today?

Good question.
RAI (Sport 2) have already changed this morning's schedules, from last night.
I put the tv on to watch the morning pre-race show, only to
find motor racing.
They have moved it back an hour and it will run through
to the Antieprima show.
What this basically means is we could get the whole stage "live",
but with a lot of studio based chat, cutting in and out whenever
they feel like it.
Conversely, they could simply talk through the first hour of the stage, before going live.

So, given a feed, anytime after 11-45CET, but it's in the lap of the RAI Gods.

 

[Jan the Man]

This tells me you never watched or read about racing in the pre-EPO days.

Agreed. The racing was much more vaired. Attack from long ways out. Major contenders taking a couple of minutes one day, losing a couple of minutes the next.

The current style of racing appears to be wait for the final climb as people are too scared to take the initiative and go for a long way out. Part of this is the strength of teams, part of it is riders being robotised by radios.

If Bahamontes needed three minutes on GC, he would never have waited for the final climb, the Eagle would have flown.

 

[Sleimas]

Agreed. The racing was much more vaired. Attack from long ways out. Major contenders taking a couple of minutes one day, losing a couple of minutes the next.

The current style of racing appears to be wait for the final climb as people are too scared to take the initiative and go for a long way out. Part of this is the strength of teams, part of it is riders being robotised by radios.

If Bahamontes needed three minutes on GC, he would never have waited for the final climb, the Eagle would have flown.

But is it possible in the days of modern nutrition, scietific research and calculation? I imagine you have to be superior climber on a good day like Schleck or Contador to pull of something like that. If not your attack would be brave and romantic, but also stupid. Like Horner in ToC.

 

[wirral]

But is it possible in the days of modern nutrition, scietific research and calculation? I imagine you have to be superior climber on a good day like Schleck or Contador to pull of something like that. If not your attack would be brave and romantic, but also stupid. Like Horner in ToC.

Yes, riders have a lot at their disposal now to ensure a much higher rate of consistency in their performances. Also the generally higher standard means leaders are much less on their own. They have team members with them almost to the end. These two facts together mean gaps are less and attacks on anything but the final climb are less likely.

 

[TeoSheva]

we have the right break..

 

[Lexman]

i just read a tweet :

17 guys in the break with ao Garate...

 

[TeoSheva]

Emanuele Sella (Androni Venezuela), Andrei Zeits (Astana), Ivan Santaromita (BMC Racing), Stefano Pirazzi (COlnago CSF), Pierre Cazaux (Euskaltel Euskadi), Andrea Guardini (Farnese Selle Italia), Sandy Casar (FDJ Big Mat), Mikhail Ignatiev (Katusha), Adam Hansen (Lotto Belisol), Frnaicsco Ventoso (Movistar), Serge Pauwels (Omega Pharma Quick Step), Juan Manuel Garate(Rabobank), Thomas Rohregger (Radioshack Nissan), Juan Antonio Flecha (Sky), Cesare Benedetti (Team NetApp) e Lucas Haedo (Saxo Bank).

edit: they are 16, one missing?

 

[TeoSheva]

Guardini for the double

 

[kanari]

Emanuele Sella (Androni Venezuela), Andrei Zeits (Astana), Ivan Santaromita (BMC Racing), Stefano Pirazzi (COlnago CSF), Pierre Cazaux (Euskaltel Euskadi), Andrea Guardini (Farnese Selle Italia), Sandy Casar (FDJ Big Mat), Mikhail Ignatiev (Katusha), Adam Hansen (Lotto Belisol), Frnaicsco Ventoso (Movistar), Serge Pauwels (Omega Pharma Quick Step), Juan Manuel Garate(Rabobank), Thomas Rohregger (Radioshack Nissan), Juan Antonio Flecha (Sky), Cesare Benedetti (Team NetApp) e Lucas Haedo (Saxo Bank).

edit: they are 16, one missing?

Guardini?! Didn't see that one coming.

 

[Lexman]

so missed the train :

AG2R, Liquigas, Garmin, who else?

 

[roundabout]

But is it possible in the days of modern nutrition, scietific research and calculation? I imagine you have to be superior climber on a good day like Schleck or Contador to pull of something like that. If not your attack would be brave and romantic, but also stupid. Like Horner in ToC.

Landis won attacking from the first climb in 2006.

By nearly 6 minutes after a 130 km "solo".

 

[TeoSheva]

so missed the train :

AG2R, Liquigas, Garmin, who else?

Liquigas didn't miss, they just don't want...

 

[Lexman]

picture from the break, they have 4 minutes i read

 

[TeoSheva]

Lampre is no there too

 

[TeoSheva]

the guy missing is just a Lampre guy: Malori

 

[Connor Pass]

Biciciclisom have 18 with Beppu (Orica Greenedge) also listed.

 

[will10]

Guardini?! Didn't see that one coming.

It's unusual but not unheard of. Gives him an extra buffer to the time limit. It's the same reason why you see all the sprinters at the very front of the bunch before the roll-out when there's a climb immediately after the start - it allows them more room to slide back through the group before finally being dropped.

 

[Danilot]

Go, go, Joaquim! Gotta make Ryder crack today.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

But is it possible in the days of modern nutrition, scietific research and calculation? I imagine you have to be superior climber on a good day like Schleck or Contador to pull of something like that. If not your attack would be brave and romantic, but also stupid. Like Horner in ToC.

Yes, riders have a lot at their disposal now to ensure a much higher rate of consistency in their performances. Also the generally higher standard means leaders are much less on their own. They have team members with them almost to the end. These two facts together mean gaps are less and attacks on anything but the final climb are less likely.

Exactly. hrotha acts as though it's still the '80s so he can maintain both his anti-doping stance and his demand for big attacks. We saw where it got Horner and Nieve recently.

 

[SafeBet]

Some tough riders in the break.
It's no sure thing they're gonna catch them all.

 

[Bernie's eyesore]

Guardini looks the likely winner out of that break, all depends if they stay away I guess. Pozzovivo is going to take time out of the other GC contenders today, doubtful that it will be anywhere near enough though.

 

[Frosty]

I reckon they have more chance of staying away today than tomorrow. Tomorrow someone is bound to think they will benefit from a hard pace and, with team-mates of no use after tomorrow's stage, will get their team mates to set a high pace from quite early on. Today i think we might have to wait until the manghen before things start to hot up in the peloton, ie team-mates start building the pace rather than attacks, so they should be able to build a healthy lead before then. Hopefully with 17/18 to share the pace they will not have to work too hard in the early stages.

 

[Connor Pass]

Some tough riders in the break.
It's no sure thing they're gonna catch them all.

Yeah the likes of Sella, Casar, Rohregger and Garate may have enough to hold off. I doubt it though if Liquigas are burning it up the Pampeago the first time around the gap will probably get shut down. I'd say the leaders will need maybe 6 minutes at the bottom to have any chance of hanging on.

 

[Connor Pass]

I reckon they have more chance of staying away today than tomorrow. Tomorrow someone is bound to think they will benefit from a hard pace and, with team-mates of no use after tomorrow's stage, will get their team mates to set a high pace from quite early on.

That's true but it's no good waiting until tomorrow to see if Hesjedal cracks.

 

[Eshnar]

Yeah the likes of Sella, Casar, Rohregger and Garate may have enough to hold off. I doubt it though if Liquigas are burning it up the Pampeago the first time around the gap will probably get shut down. I'd say the leaders will need maybe 16 minutes at the bottom to have any chance of hanging on.

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