Stage 5 Châteauneuf-du-Pape -> La Montagne de Lure 176 km, Friday 8th March

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Jul 29, 2012
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wwabbit said:
So this "Sky Train" strategy thingy seems to work out well. Just wondering why if it's that great why isn't everyone doing it?
Go to the clinic if you want to have an answer
 
Apr 10, 2011
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wwabbit said:
So this "Sky Train" strategy thingy seems to work out well. Just wondering why if it's that great why isn't everyone doing it?
There was no train today really :rolleyes:

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Sep 9, 2009
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wwabbit said:
So this "Sky Train" strategy thingy seems to work out well. Just wondering why if it's that great why isn't everyone doing it?
Because it particularly helps certain sort of climbers, and you need sufficient quality of domestique to make it anything other than a pathetic gesture in the first 500m of a climb (which plenty of teams including Sky have done on several occasions).

Anyhow.

Ian Boswell - is he getting through lots of work before the cameras roll - regularly coming is right near the back, even behind the main grupetto today.
 
strong performance by richie .great delivery by sivtsov and david lopez. it was a dull ascent most of it but that is not's sky's fault. step up in the arms race or go and cry home

quintana i was right, he's not in great form. disappointed by westra though,very

again,congrats to richie porte(about him, i said on this forums years ago that he will win grand tours). he's top quality no doubt

for statistics fans, that's how fast richie went today compared to alberto:

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/
 
Apr 10, 2011
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Waterloo Sunrise said:
Because it particularly helps certain sort of climbers, and you need sufficient quality of domestique to make it anything other than a pathetic gesture in the first 500m of a climb (which plenty of teams including Sky have done on several occasions).

Anyhow.

Ian Boswell - is he getting through lots of work before the cameras roll - regularly coming is right near the back, even behind the main grupetto today.
Yep, he had pretty nasty crash twice in two stages before here but is still fighting on.
 
Dec 30, 2011
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wwabbit said:
So this "Sky Train" strategy thingy seems to work out well. Just wondering why if it's that great why isn't everyone doing it?
Because you need to have good riders for starters.

(see Saxo, Vuelta 2012)
 
Jul 16, 2010
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Waterloo Sunrise said:
Because it particularly helps certain sort of climbers, and you need sufficient quality of domestique to make it anything other than a pathetic gesture in the first 500m of a climb (which plenty of teams including Sky have done on several occasions).

Anyhow.

Ian Boswell - is he getting through lots of work before the cameras roll - regularly coming is right near the back, even behind the main grupetto today.
The problem people have with Sky is their domestiques were mostly worthless before joining Sky(their leaders as well). Rogers for example hadn't climbed like that anymore since 2006.
 
Mar 31, 2010
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wwabbit said:
So this "Sky Train" strategy thingy seems to work out well. Just wondering why if it's that great why isn't everyone doing it?
what are you talking about? what we saw today from sky is what we see in every mountainstage for the past many years. one team takes control and that is it :rolleyes:
 
Sep 9, 2009
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El Pistolero said:
The problem people have with Sky is their domestiques were mostly worthless before joining Sky(their leaders as well). Rogers for example hadn't climbed like that anymore since 2006.
Yes, I know there is a lively debate on that topic in the clinic, but it's really not a view I would subscribe to given that most of the worthless riders have done a top 10 GT GC at some point or other (and yes, I know the counter argument, and it is not for this forum).
 
jens_attacks said:
strong performance by richie .great delivery by sivtsov and david lopez. it was a dull ascent most of it but that is not's sky's fault. step up in the arms race or go and cry home

quintana i was right, he's not in great form. disappointed by westra though,very

again,congrats to richie porte(about him, i said on this forums years ago that he will win grand tours). he's top quality no doubt

for statistics fans, that's how fast richie went today compared to alberto:

http://climbing-records.blogspot.ro/
Seeing this time I can kind of live with it.
Sky is getting on my nerves though. Almost every rider that goes there seems to greatly improve their performances.
I even start to think that if I decide to start cycling tomorrow and go to Sky right away I can win a stage race in a year.....
 
Jan 11, 2010
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Kwibus said:
Seeing this time I can kind of live with it.
Sky is getting on my nerves though. Almost every rider that goes there seems to greatly improve their performances.
I even start to think that if I decide to start cycling tomorrow and go to Sky right away I can win a stage race in a year.....
At least Sky seem to know what they're doing, Clinic issues aside. The Dutch teams seem to have no plan and no idea behind their training. Or the wrong idea.
 
theyoungest said:
At least Sky seem to know what they're doing, Clinic issues aside. The Dutch teams seem to have no plan and no idea behind their training. Or the wrong idea.
Yes, their training is still a joke imo. For example they told Nordhaug to focus his training on improving his sprint this year. No wonder they collapse in the big races ;)

Anyway, great and gutsy performance by Talansky today. Didn't like his ride when he won the other day, but today he rode like a true champion.
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
they said the same about Rabobank beginning of 1996. This is the exactly the reason why it goes wrong
With the exception of Porte, they rode up that climb quite slowly today. A talented clean rider would be able to keep up with those guys, no doubt. I mean, most of the attacks lasted max 3 seconds, didn't exactly look like the good old EPO-days.
 
maltiv said:
Yes, their training is still a joke imo. For example they told Nordhaug to focus his training on improving his sprint this year. No wonder they collapse in the big races ;)

Anyway, great and gutsy performance by Talansky today. Didn't like his ride when he won the other day, but today he rode like a true champion.
Let me guess, you really love Fabian then.
 
Jan 11, 2010
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maltiv said:
Yes, their training is still a joke imo. For example they told Nordhaug to focus his training on improving his sprint this year. No wonder they collapse in the big races ;)
They have Argos' former trainer on board now, so it's no wonder they can all sprint, and can't climb anymore ;)

Dekker_Tifosi said:
they said the same about Rabobank beginning of 1996. This is the exactly the reason why it goes wrong
Well, whatever the rest are taking, just take it. The team won't exist next year anyway.
 
airstream said:
Overly strange move from Gesink. Wouldn't it be easier to drop at once? I'm worried about his Giro perspectives.
What perspectives? He was never a Giro contender to begin with, like I've been saying for months now. He's not the same guy he once was. It just seems that the transformation into a different type of rider wasn't complete. I mean, his prologue was very impressive. A first for him.

But yeah, I was like WTF when he put in that "attack." I knew he'd get dropped hard, but this was just sad.
 
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Gesink is sick after all.

"Didn't feel good at all at today's last climb, looks like I'm riding around with a bit more than just a bad cough. Thanks for supporting!"
 
El Pistolero said:
The problem people have with Sky is their domestiques were mostly worthless before joining Sky(their leaders as well). Rogers for example hadn't climbed like that anymore since 2006.
I think the major problem people have with Sky is their similarity in stage racing tactics to an infamous anglo team from the sport's recent past.That and their announced goal of domination.
 
theyoungest said:
Gesink is sick after all.

"Didn't feel good at all at today's last climb, looks like I'm riding around with a bit more than just a bad cough. Thanks for supporting!"
all right, a reason to be in bad shape.

when I saw him attacking today, I knew he would lose time later, and I knew everybody on the forum would throw mud at him.
I don't like to spit on the riders like some of us armchair team managers sometimes do
 

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