State of the Peloton 2024

[Nick2413]

They’re mentioning the CO articles on Flobikes and how cycling has completely changed overnight since 2020. Barely brushed on the CO though and made it out that everyone just wanted to race once racing was allowed in 2020 so that’s the whole reason racing is full gas all the time now

 

[Mr. 64%]

They’re mentioning the CO articles on Flobikes and how cycling has completely changed overnight since 2020. Barely brushed on the CO though and made it out that everyone just wanted to race once racing was allowed in 2020 so that’s the whole reason racing is full gas all the time now

Yeah, the good, old "wanting it more" is the most potent PED in the universe. If only us mortals could unlock the potential of this unhinged willpower...

 

[Penninepeddler]

I don’t see why this wouldn’t be the next big thing for the masses even outside the pro field if it’s really that simple. There’s probably some red tape on getting a hold of the device but breathing into a bag a few times a day for a ~5% performance gain is nuts.

This should bring up hematocrit though so would it just be in lieu of blood doping or somehow work synergistically or even better..?

It is probably more than a 5% performance gain tbh if they are using it...

going off the studies that have been done on the "normos" it seems like something in the 4-5% increase in V02 Max is pretty much the result.

But ofc those studies seem pretty "basic" to a degree... pro teams with specialist doctors are going to be far more systematic IF they are using it. And as we have seen with the studies on EPO in "normies" vs the reported gains from pro cyslists? They are a different world.

The EPO studies on normal population showed something like a 5-9% increase... but when it was done with trained subjects? The results were more like 15%.

 

[Monoxidator]

It is probably more than a 5% performance gain tbh if they are using it...

going off the studies that have been done on the "normos" it seems like something in the 4-5% increase in V02 Max is pretty much the result.

But ofc those studies seem pretty "basic" to a degree... pro teams with specialist doctors are going to be far more systematic IF they are using it. And as we have seen with the studies on EPO in "normies" vs the reported gains from pro cyslists? They are a different world.

The EPO studies on normal population showed something like a 5-9% increase... but when it was done with trained subjects? The results were more like 15%.

Can you imagine normies using this without dr supervision? Lots of "go-karting" incidents.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

So Eisel justified the new times on climbs with the nutrition zone being closer to the finish. Is this a new detail to the explanation or have they been already saying that before?

 

[Taxus4a]

For me CO method should be banned. It is a method to measure, but can be used for improve. We have to put limits. The fact is they are going very fast, and the same way syringes were forbidden any issue in relation with CO techonolgy should be banned. We cant forbide, maybe, people train in altitude, but we have to put a limit to all this stuff about blood improvements.

Cycling was again popular and with lot of money put in, UCI has to stop the possibility to come back to the past,

 

[SHAD0W93]

Anyone else knew there was a double benefit to being behind the motos?

Imagine if the peloton knew this when the Olympics were in China and all of the WT races in China they hated going to. Could have dipped into this gold mine sooner.

 

[Monoxidator]

So Eisel justified the new times on climbs with the nutrition zone being closer to the finish. Is this a new detail to the explanation or have they been already saying that before?

This has been said before. Nutrition zone being closer to the finish is laughable. The improvements in nutrition (as has been stated many times) help people perform better later in races and stages, helps recovery etc. but doesn’t give anyone more absolute watts. That’s like saying filling up the gas tank in the car makes you go faster…. No it makes you go farther.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Imagine if the peloton knew this when the Olympics were in China and all of the WT races in China they hated going to. Could have dipped into this gold mine sooner.

If that's what helped Samu win, I no longer think it should be banned.

 

[SHAD0W93]

So Eisel justified the new times on climbs with the nutrition zone being closer to the finish. Is this a new detail to the explanation or have they been already saying that before?

In a way I feel like Sky pioneered having a nutrition zone for their riders before the last climbs but don’t know if others did it before. I just know it was a talking point at the time, along with Sky riders getting the feeds for Froome on the climb.

 

[Rob5091]

Lappi's anti-motor doping chief, Nicholas Raudenski, talks sports fixing ... (recent Pantani death rumours in mind) Big money attracts big crime -

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbjw3_xlYh0

Edit - add- had a listen and very interesting, but also pretty depressing conclusions, that only investigative journalists or whistleblowers really blow open the big stories. Big bucks (millions and millions) are too present and global online betting makes it easy to launder funds or just make more money. The analogy with horse racing (doped up horses and no real interest apart from betting) and other sports is truely depressing. There is some lighter parts especially the tales of Canadian soccer. If you don't know the scale of European soccer it might not be for you, but there are tales of US sports for example.

 

[NFTtiddies]

Rodriguez said he was doing 6w/kg when he was dropped from the gc group

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Rodriguez said he was doing 6w/kg when he was dropped from the gc group

Sooooo… he‘s worse than Froome??

 

[Mr. 64%]

According to the Watt Police on YT, this years Niels Politt would be a serious contenter to win the 2018 and 19 tours.

I don't think i can do much better, in summing everything up in a single sentence.

 

[NFTtiddies]

Sooooo… he‘s worse than Froome??

Worse than peak Froome sure, but he was the first contender to drop from the ~15 man gc group

 

[Mayomaniac]

And meanwhile Derek Gee has turned into the Marple Leaf version of Bufalo Gutierrez, outclimbing Ciccone and all of Ineos today...
IPT must be on the good stuff, they even managed to revive the corpse of Fuglsang and have him as a solid climbing dom atm. Their problem is that most of their riders, besides the younger ones, are still meh...

 

[Mr. 64%]

Indeed a fine display of artful necromancy by IPT.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

And meanwhile Derek Gee has turned into the Marple Leaf version of Bufalo Gutierrez, outclimbing Ciccone and all of Ineos today...
IPT must be on the good stuff, they even managed to revive the corpse of Fuglsang and have him as a solid climbing dom atm. Their problem is that most of their riders, besides the younger ones, are still meh...

Give the guy a break. He hadn't even been on an altitude camp before this Spring. He hasn't reached his peak yet.

 

[Monoxidator]

And meanwhile Derek Gee has turned into the Marple Leaf version of Bufalo Gutierrez, outclimbing Ciccone and all of Ineos today...
IPT must be on the good stuff, they even managed to revive the corpse of Fuglsang and have him as a solid climbing dom atm. Their problem is that most of their riders, besides the younger ones, are still meh...

IPT is one of the teams using CO doping as mentioned in the article.

 

[Slavique Nuke]

And meanwhile Derek Gee has turned into the Marple Leaf version of Bufalo Gutierrez, outclimbing Ciccone and all of Ineos today...
IPT must be on the good stuff, they even managed to revive the corpse of Fuglsang and have him as a solid climbing dom atm. Their problem is that most of their riders, besides the younger ones, are still meh...

The owner of the infamous Detalo CO rebreather works for them. I think it's really screwed up that they sent Riccitello full on CO to the Tour de l'Avenir to race against the kids. But that team doesn't really have morals.

 

[Monoxidator]

The owner of the infamous Detalo CO rebreather works for them. I think it's really screwed up that they sent Riccitello full on CO to the Tour de l'Avenir to race against the kids. But that team doesn't really have morals.

Holy ** that's messed up!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

The owner of the infamous Detalo CO rebreather works for them. I think it's really screwed up that they sent Riccitello full on CO to the Tour de l'Avenir to race against the kids. But that team doesn't really have morals.

Are you saying they did that last year, but he still got his ass kicked?

 

[Mayomaniac]

IPT is one of the teams using CO doping as mentioned in the article.

Yeah, that's why I think the CO-theory has some merit.

 

[meat puppet]

On the upside there's no need to host a cycling race in the enhanced games or whatever it's called. It's already covered.

 

[Rob5091]

Things must be bad when football analysts start doping accusations -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...ly-in-a-few-years-youll-hear-who-actually-won

On the Vandaag Inside, a football analyst Jack van Gelder has launched accusations of doping at the Tour de France for Tadej Pogacar specifically. The Dutch commentator was asked about the ongoing race and his response was of complete skepticism over the current performance of the yellow jersey.

Asked if he believes these performances, he reponded: "Of course not. They keep finding new things. It can't be that they keep riding faster and performing better. That's just not possible. There are limits to the human body. At a certain point, it's no longer made to do the things that we would like to be able to do in principle. It has to be faster, higher and better and at a certain point you're limited."

Of course, the rebutal came swiftly but pointing out probable doping in another sport, does not really back up your arguement -

His words brought the attention of the cycling world and Dutch journalist Thijs Zonneveld promptly responded: "Ah, Jack van Gelder is now also a medical specialist who knows exactly the limits of the human body. Maybe next time he can explain how it is possible that footballers run twice as many kilometres as in the 1970s. Or why they sprint so much faster than ten years ago. It's not about what you believe, it's not a religion. You have to prove, substantiate and investigate before you shout these kinds of things."