State of the Peloton 2024

[noob]

Did Remco switch his and Jonas 'energy' drink this morning?🤔

Jonas injury would logically have an effect on last week.

The idea of huffing on motorcycle fumes is absurd ... that's not what they're doing. They're using precisely dosed gases controlled by highly specialized equipment to progressively overload the system throughout the duration of an altitude camp. Doing this they can probably reach the mythical 60% hema levels previously only seen with massive EPO abuse.

Exhaust fumes have nothing to do with it. It's a funny visual, but it's irrelevant to what's actually happening.

And if the teams are really scummy (like a team run by Gianetti) the gases could be dosed during any sort of lactate test, vo2 test, or hemoglobin test, through the mask without the rider being aware. CO is tasteless and odorless after all.

This is even more scary 😢

 

[SHAD0W93]

Did Remco switch his and Jonas 'energy' drink this morning?🤔

It’s the candy Pogacar gave him the other day.

 

[kingjr]

Yes. Twitter

It's quite comical, really. If I had to speculate, I'd say he is a hardcore fan with a personality disorder, who is also a friend of a friend of someone close to or inside the team, and with that information went on his own little crusade to change the narrative about Pogacar being inferior to Vingegaard in Grand Tours. Which, as it turns out, was justified, sort of, though I still want to see what Vingegaard can do in the Tour 2025 without a severe injury disrupting his prep.

 

[noob]

He's back on Twitter - have a look at the Pogi thread in Pro racing (not clinic!)

Jesus! I'm in so much shock now. 😲

My thoughts sometimes was that he was pog lol 😆

(Obviously pog won't have all that time)

 

[noob]

I'm worried they'll shut this clinic down now. Where to go then?

If mou talks about it on twitter thee trolls will roll in faster than a snowball falling down the French alps (dear gd what's wrong with my creative head with these weird sayings)

 

[Red Rick]

- Fecal-doping. (i'm serious. yeah. I actually am.)

That must be the smell, of pure, unadultered CICLISMO BABY

 

[AmRacer]

Yes. Twitter

X

 

[Red Rick]

I saw our moderator team mentioned in Danish news too, been banning forum members for 'using foul language' apparently, they need to get their facts straight, making us look like a right bunch of prudes.

Wish the newspapers would cite Red Rick as "Mou was banned from the forum for being an ***".

 

[Salvarani]

Wish the newspapers would cite Red Rick as "Mou was banned from the forum for being an ***".

Unfortunately or gladly, depending on your stance, Mou is Robin Hood and you are the Sheriff of Nottingham in this story

This is a joke.

 

[FroomeWagon]

Yes. Twitter

... and asking for some of his cyclingnews forum friends to stop in and say hi.

Google translate.

Oh, here are the brothers from the forum, tell scribers and salvarani to report here

 

[iceblink]

So Pogi has gone from "I know nothing!" to "nothing to see here."
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/it...r-confirms-use-of-carbon-monoxide-rebreather/

I had to laugh when that article reminded me of the furore over Froome in 2013 on Ventoux. With hindsight it hardly seems that astonishing compared to what's been happening last few years. Watching a replay on YouTube as Froome slowly pulls away from Quintana with 1.5km to go and gains just a 29 second advantage at the finish makes me wonder what the fuss was about? I mean Quintana's never been under suspicion and he was there with Froome almost to the finish. I know the times were comparable to Armstrong but if Quintana was there then then I'd say a better explanation was that they both got pulled up the first half or so at an unusually fast rate by the very expensively assembled Sky train. Oh, and maybe Froome did 7w/kg in the last km.

Anyway, everyone having shot their load and chucked their urine so much back in those days means no one really cares anymore about doping allegations. A whole load of "fans" much prefer the exciting show we have now compared to the boring big money tactics of the previous decade. I mean, if Armstrong had been exchanging some of those 7 wins with a rival of similar "ability" he'd probably be a lot more popular, just like Poggy and Vinni

 

[rm2021]

It's quite comical, really. If I had to speculate, I'd say he is a hardcore fan with a personality disorder, who is also a friend of a friend of someone close to or inside the team, and with that information went on his own little crusade to change the narrative about Pogacar being inferior to Vingegaard in Grand Tours. Which, as it turns out, was justified, sort of, though I still want to see what Vingegaard can do in the Tour 2025 without a severe injury disrupting his prep.

Mou is someone close to a person who works at UAE. He is probably close to Jeroen Swart.

Jeroen Swart followed mou in the past on twitter, and when mou started to post on this forum some information, Jeroen Swart unfollow him.

He received some information from Jeroen Swart and then he posted here on, but most of the information was clearly wrong as Pogacar said today.

 

[Tim Cahill]

I had to laugh when that article reminded me of the furore over Froome in 2013 on Ventoux. With hindsight it hardly seems that astonishing compared to what's been happening last few years. Watching a replay on YouTube as Froome slowly pulls away from Quintana with 1.5km to go and gains just a 29 second advantage at the finish makes me wonder what the fuss was about? I mean Quintana's never been under suspicion and he was there with Froome almost to the finish. I know the times were comparable to Armstrong but if Quintana was there then then I'd say a better explanation was that they both got pulled up the first half or so at an unusually fast rate by the very expensively assembled Sky train. Oh, and maybe Froome did 7w/kg in the last km.

Anyway, everyone having shot there load and chucked their urine so much back in those days means no one really cares anymore about doping allegations. A whole load of "fans" much prefer the exciting show we have now compared to the boring big money tactics of the previous decade. I mean, if Armstrong had been exchanging some of those 7 wins with a rival of similar "ability" he'd probably be a lot more popular, just like Poggy and Vinni

Seems like a lifetime ago, pretty sure either Froome or Quintana got carted off in an ambulance after that stage because they were too nackered, some of these lads now are mucking around and hugging babies looking like they've cycled down to the local supermarket.

 

[repoman]

I had to laugh when that article reminded me of the furore over Froome in 2013 on Ventoux. With hindsight it hardly seems that astonishing compared to what's been happening last few years. Watching a replay on YouTube as Froome slowly pulls away from Quintana with 1.5km to go and gains just a 29 second advantage at the finish makes me wonder what the fuss was about? I mean Quintana's never been under suspicion and he was there with Froome almost to the finish. I know the times were comparable to Armstrong but if Quintana was there then then I'd say a better explanation was that they both got pulled up the first half or so at an unusually fast rate by the very expensively assembled Sky train. Oh, and maybe Froome did 7w/kg in the last km.

Anyway, everyone having shot their load and chucked their urine so much back in those days means no one really cares anymore about doping allegations. A whole load of "fans" much prefer the exciting show we have now compared to the boring big money tactics of the previous decade. I mean, if Armstrong had been exchanging some of those 7 wins with a rival of similar "ability" he'd probably be a lot more popular, just like Poggy and Vinni

Weird thing is people that weren't even born when Armstrong was winning act like the guy went around curb stomping puppies everyday. They will absolve Pogacar, Vingegaard or any suspicion in the same sentence of calling Lance a dirty worthless doper. Such bizarre times. People minds are brain broken by constant media.
I never thought Froome was super sus FWIW. I get that other people would find him sus because he didn't have results and then he became a GT winner in the span of a couple years...when you look at his weight transformation I think his performances are at least in the area of plausibility...or maybe he wasn't on the nuclear grade stuff being used today.

 

[Monoxidator]

Weird thing is people that weren't even born when Armstrong was winning act like the guy went around curb stomping puppies everyday. They will absolve Pogacar, Vingegaard or any suspicion in the same sentence of calling Lance a dirty worthless doper. Such bizarre times. People minds are brain broken by constant media.
I never thought Froome was super sus FWIW. I get that other people would find him sus because he didn't have results and then he became a GT winner in the span of a couple years...when you look at his weight transformation I think his performances are at least in the area of plausibility...or maybe he wasn't on the nuclear grade stuff being used today.

Froome's numbers (and he's been labeled a physiological freak by teammates) were pedestrian by this TDF's standards.

 

[Froome]

Froome's numbers (and he's been labeled a physiological freak by teammates) were pedestrian by this TDF's standards.

The true is, if Froome, Andy Schleck or Contador had this new fuel, they would be clearly more fast than they were in the past.

 

[Tim Cahill]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813469388672016547

"Very few opportunities? Everyone has their opinion, but it's a shame. If this continues like this, it doesn't make much sense for people like me to participate in a grand tour. It's a shame"

The heart truly bleeds, the workman from humble beginnings in Kapellen is not happy with the absurd level and lack of opportunity.

Says he's pushing some of his best numbers, mans been nowhere

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813469388672016547

"Very few opportunities? Everyone has their opinion, but it's a shame. If this continues like this, it doesn't make much sense for people like me to participate in a grand tour. It's a shame"

The heart truly bleeds, the workman from humble beginnings in Kapellen is not happy with the absurd level and lack of opportunity.

Says he's pushing some of his best numbers, mans been nowhere

Going just on this one quote:
does that necessarily imply he's talking about not being able to compete? Or is it about the fact that breaks alsmost never go far? And there's not a lot of profiles that suited him, were threre?

 

[Tim Cahill]

Going just on this one quote:
does that necessarily imply he's talking about not being able to compete? Or is it about the fact that breaks alsmost never go far? And there's not a lot of profiles that suited him, were threre?

I believe it follows on from a couple of after-stage interviews I've seen from him this tour where he talks about pushing incredible numbers at the front of breakaways but being unable to gain any sort of meaningful time gap. He has said his form is olympics-ready but he feels anonymous in this race because it is so competitive.

Van Aert is in a similar position I think, although his climbing form isn't the best after interrupted preparation.

 

[DenisMenchov]

Are we supposed to think that MVDP is clean? I love the guy as much as the other person but he was one day racing Pogacar during the last couple of seasons. Destroying almost everyone in every race he targeted. (MSR, PR and Worlds 2023 and RVV, PR 2024)

 

[Izzyeviel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813469388672016547

"Very few opportunities? Everyone has their opinion, but it's a shame. If this continues like this, it doesn't make much sense for people like me to participate in a grand tour. It's a shame"

The heart truly bleeds, the workman from humble beginnings in Kapellen is not happy with the absurd level and lack of opportunity.

Says he's pushing some of his best numbers, mans been nowhere

Live footage of the other classic riders...

 

[Monoxidator]

You have to feel sorry for Pogacar ... he's going to be a domestique for Del Toro next year or the year after.

 

[Ripper]

Looks like the French press might be asking the tough questions now (I can only see the beginning, the rest is behind a paywall)

Pogacar's impossibly fast climb to the Plateau de Beille, the 2024 Tour de France's tipping point

For some years now, each edition of the Tour has had a 'tipping point' when the festive atmosphere at the start gives way to doubts and endless unanswered questions.

www.lemonde.fr

 

[Gratemans]

The idea of huffing on motorcycle fumes is absurd ... that's not what they're doing. They're using precisely dosed gases controlled by highly specialized equipment to progressively overload the system throughout the duration of an altitude camp. Doing this they can probably reach the mythical 60% hema levels previously only seen with massive EPO abuse.

Exhaust fumes have nothing to do with it. It's a funny visual, but it's irrelevant to what's actually happening.

And if the teams are really scummy (like a team run by Gianetti) the gases could be dosed during any sort of lactate test, vo2 test, or hemoglobin test, through the mask without the rider being aware. CO is tasteless and odorless after all.

I'd like to add to this that the article this all came from (hidden behind a paywall of course because f$ck it, we wanna make money off this sport) keeps referring to CO as a 'deadly' and even 'poisonous' gas. Clickbait much?
Carbon monoxide isn't poisonus in the slightest. It just bonds with oxygen which leaves you suffocated when you're in a very small room with it without ventilation. It isn't poisonous in any meaning of the word.

Can it be performance-enhancing? I havent't got the slightest idea. Just wanted to point out that those nice people at escapecollective are just framing it as poison for clickbait.

Anyhow, in another thread here today we established that there is no free press anymore when it comes to cycling. Don't bite the hand that feeds and all that. Ugh.

 

[iceblink]

I'd like to add to this that the article this all came from (hidden behind a paywall of course because f$ck it, we wanna make money off this sport) keeps referring to CO as a 'deadly' and even 'poisonous' gas. Clickbait much?
Carbon monoxide isn't poisonus in the slightest. It just bonds with oxygen which leaves you suffocated when you're in a very small room with it without ventilation. It isn't poisonous in any meaning of the word.

Carbon monoxide poisoning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org