you'd never get an amphet rush with the 3 legal products they name
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you'd never get an amphet rush with the 3 legal products they name
I wouldn't know... I've never tried Voltaren.............
What about breaking Hautacam record in TdF 25? Is climbing time below 33:00 possible for our dear mutants?
WADA's list of goodies the guys in the peloton should not use next year -
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/news/wada-publishes-2025-prohibited-list
List of newbies and changes at https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defa...planatory_note_en_final_11_september_2024.pdf
"Fentanyl and tramadol were added to monitor patterns of Out-of-Competition use." What?!
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/news/wada-publishes-2025-prohibited-list
List of newbies and changes at https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/defa...planatory_note_en_final_11_september_2024.pdf
"Fentanyl and tramadol were added to monitor patterns of Out-of-Competition use." What?!
Verdy is really reaching for the drama. If it is legal, then it's not doping ... what a tool."Jean-Pierre Verdy, former director of the French Anti-Doping Agency, considers this massive use of drugs to be a form of doping, albeit a legal one."
"The investigation also highlights the availability of various drugs in the peloton. Cyclists have access to substances such as Voltaren, caffeine or paracetamol, often in the form of cocktails. An anonymous witness describes the "magic box", a box containing various drugs, freely distributed before races. The concept of the "bomba", a mixture of these authorized products, recalls the amphetamine cocktails that were once widespread."
no, NO. it does recall fck all. amphetamines are banned. voltaren, caffeine, paracetamol are legal. dear me some French journos are desperate. they'd better stick at looking for those invisible motors
I mean, there is dodgy medication abuse going on, I have no doubt about that. Caffeine, NSAIDs, and Tylenol? C'mon folks, that is not going to make you a world beater. It'll help you feel you aches and pains less, and get you out of bed nicely, but otherwise?
Good grief, if those three are an issue, then over half the people I know are doping just to keep their bodies ticking along
The problem with media reporting and also confusing to the discussion here is the interchangeable use of the terms legal/illegal and banned. We should be using the terms “banned” or not banned. Whether a drug’s use for performance enhancing is actually “legal” varies by country: the criminal code re: doping is vastly different in, for example, France vs. the U.S.
I don’t expect the media to bother trying for clarity on that but we should be able to do that here.
I don’t expect the media to bother trying for clarity on that but we should be able to do that here.
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Curious why an article on “doping” with non banned products has a lead photo of a pile of banned doping products?
Indeed we are!Verdy is really reaching for the drama. If it is legal, then it's not doping ... what a tool.
I mean, there is dodgy medication abuse going on, I have no doubt about that. Caffeine, NSAIDs, and Tylenol? C'mon folks, that is not going to make you a world beater. It'll help you feel you aches and pains less, and get you out of bed nicely, but otherwise?
Good grief, if those three are an issue, then over half the people I know are doping just to keep their bodies ticking along
most youtube videos these days are AI voices. Little chance that is the real voice of the man behind cycling highlights
No it's a voice actor, the real guy is Spanish and quite old, he is clickbaity but I can tell you his knowledge of cycling is extensive.
Voice actor is doing a great job I have to say, just a completely absurd English accent reflecting the tone of the videos.
Not talking about Cycling Highlights but AI voices can be so hilarious in how they mispronounce names or words, and closed captioning is even worse! I feel for people who are truly deaf because the text they see on the screen is not what's being said, often it's not even close.
That said I think Cycling Highlights guy is pretty funny and it's good to know he's a real dude.
And now we find out EPO really doesn't work:
A lawyer wins Ventoux in a controlled doping event, whereas the doped riders finished on average 38 sec. less than the clean ones. Is this a serious scientific study or BS? Dr. Conconi had other results/conclusions. You have to test a sample of elite athletes or those of considerably miserable shape.
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Yep, Lance said it was not the EPO that helped him win the Tour 7 times ... never tested positive! (Also health reasons? Guys died trying to game the system ...And now we find out EPO really doesn't work:
)BS of course. By the way it’s worked great for me: HCT increased by 8 with weekly injections. Of course, that was just going from 25 to 33And now we find out EPO really doesn't work:
A lawyer wins Ventoux in a controlled doping event, whereas the doped riders finished on average 38 sec. less than the clean ones. Is this a serious scientific study or BS? Dr. Conconi had other results/conclusions. You have to test a sample of elite athletes or those of considerably miserable shape.
I think this is where most studies fail, no active elite athlete would ever admit to doping because it would spell the end of his/her career. So the testing pool is extremely poor from the get-go.And now we find out EPO really doesn't work:
A lawyer wins Ventoux in a controlled doping event, whereas the doped riders finished on average 38 sec. less than the clean ones. Is this a serious scientific study or BS? Dr. Conconi had other results/conclusions. You have to test a sample of elite athletes or those of considerably miserable shape.
I don’t see the article when I click the link, just brings me to general CN news article page. Was this several days ago?And now we find out EPO really doesn't work:
A lawyer wins Ventoux in a controlled doping event, whereas the doped riders finished on average 38 sec. less than the clean ones. Is this a serious scientific study or BS? Dr. Conconi had other results/conclusions. You have to test a sample of elite athletes or those of considerably miserable shape.
The Great Doping Deterrent - Health, performance and the prohibited list
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ThanksThe Great Doping Deterrent - Health, performance and the prohibited list
The health risks of doping are one of WADA’s major weapons in deterring athletes from crossing the line. But does it have the desired effect? And how robust is the evidence of performance enhancement of different banned substances? Cyclingnews investigates…
Lance called EPO rocket fuel. You need to see how out of shape guys were to whom it was adminstered. The irony is that the worse shape you are in the greater the boost EPO will give you, but not enough to beat clean guys in really good shape, let alone top athletes on it. Then it becomes another relative matter. Why wasn't this considered in a scientific analysis?Yep, Lance said it was not the EPO that helped him win the Tour 7 times ... never tested positive! (Also health reasons? Guys died trying to game the system ...
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I suspect that it is usually used in relation to whether the PED is allowable ("legal") under the terms of the WADA list and other doping rules, not whether there are criminal sanctions. If criminal legislation were the only determinant, murder would be legal in the UK.
LA also characterized the use of EPO as "High-Octane" doping Back in 2016, LA was a guest speaker at a sports ethics class at the University of Colorado. He broke down cycling doping at the elite level into two separate categories; "High-Octane" (i.e. EPO) & "Low-Octane" (e.g. testosterone, HGH, cortisone, etc).
He says "High-Octane" doping was a "10 percenter" (i.e. 10% boost in performance) vs "Low-Octane" doping being only a "1 percenter" (i.e. 1% boost). LA said he wouldn't have been able to compete & be successful in a GT without "High-Octane" doping (who would have thought. Lol).
Here's the only video available (audio is not greatest). The original video was about 35 minutes long where he went into greater detail on his EPO use & history with Ferrari. However, that video apparently has been removed from YT & we're left only with this 3 min portion that's hard to hear.
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10% is the bear minimum. 10% in a 5/6 hour race in the mountains is how many minutes? Do the math. If everybody is on it, then it becomes a factor of who has acsess to the best doctor, or else Lance would have won the Tour in 95. Unless you believe Lance didn't take EPO in 1995.
Metaboloic modulators, is this part of the new rocket fuel cocktail?
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/10/sport/trimetazidine-banned-drug-explainer-spt-intl/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/10/sport/trimetazidine-banned-drug-explainer-spt-intl/index.html
Interesting that treatment for "Long Covid" (e.g. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(23)00123-2/fulltext) would be of interest to "sporting types" Would this explain the difference between Pogi 2023 and Pogi 2024?.
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