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houtdffan

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Cookster15 said:
Fascinating article. But not sure I agree that nutrition is anything more than a minor contributor to speed increases. Nutrition has always been a big focus in endurance sports it didn’t suddenly become more advanced since 2020. I come from an Ironman triathlon background and we focused hugely on nutrition back in the 90s.

I’d say speed increases are more about how the peloton races these days. I might even suggest that since Pogacar’s arrival the rest of the peloton has been forced to up their game. I am more interested in climbing times. I am still gobsmacked by stage 15 in the TdF.
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Plateau de Beille was when Remco tried to use the Tsar Bomba in an antimatter fight.

Does not look like he's making the same mistake this year. Wonder what methods they are using this year now that CO huffing was banned (of course they are still doing it, and of course they have found something better)
 
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danielovichdk2 said:
If races in the pro peloton has increased in speed, why would local races not do the same ?

It's a question I have asked myself since the subjects around nutrition, gear and training has become the defacto narrative around why speed has gone up.

Wouldn't it be plausible for the amateurs to also race faster since they adopt the same techniques as the pros ? The literature is available to everyone and information is shared, so it should be doable to question this aspect.
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Local races in my area( S. California and N. Baja) are noticeable faster than years back, Speeds at Chicago Grit are also faster than previous..
 
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AmRacer said:
A normal average Remco would've won today.
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Yeah, and if Steff Cras didn't crash out he'd have won Asturias instead of Soler, and if MvdP hadn't been sick he'd have won De Ronde instead of Pogi, and, and, and ...

You can keep inventing hypotheticals, downplaying, and relativizing. The bottom line is that UAE, aka Saunier-Duval 2.0, is winning and dominating at unparalleled levels.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Fascinating article. But not sure I agree that nutrition is anything more than a minor contributor to speed increases. Nutrition has always been a big focus in endurance sports it didn’t suddenly become more advanced since 2020. I come from an Ironman triathlon background and we focused hugely on nutrition back in the 90s.

I’d say speed increases are more about how the peloton races these days. I might even suggest that since Pogacar’s arrival the rest of the peloton has been forced to up their game. I am more interested in climbing times. I am still gobsmacked by stage 15 in the TdF.
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I suppose a drastic increase in sugars consumption make them more likely to have their peak power available after 5 hours of racing (like on PdB) but it obviously doesn't up the peak power itself. Other factors must be in play. But what can be more efficient than unlimited EPO? (without hitting absurd blood values on top of that)

houtdffan said:
Plateau de Beille was when Remco tried to use the Tsar Bomba in an antimatter fight.
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Good one!
 
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Rechtschreibfehler

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Red Rick said:
My junior tennis coach told my parents my brother should get on HGH. Then you suddenly see all the new young ATP players being 190 cm+. I'm no math genius but I can put 2 and 2 together.
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Wow. At what age?
A friend of mine got administered steroids even before full puberty in a post-soviet setting in weight-lifting. Completely *** up her hormones for life.
It didn't take me to get to know her to have almost no illusions about what's going on in professional sports, but it took away any last ones I had.
 
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Rechtschreibfehler said:
Wow. At what age?
A friend of mine got administered steroids even before full puberty in a post-soviet setting in weight-lifting. Completely *** up her hormones for life.
It didn't take me to get to know her to have almost no illusions about what's going on in professional sports, but it took away any last ones I had.
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14 or 15 IIRC. And it's not like there were any prospects or ambitions of going pro
 
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Cookster15

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Krzysztof_O said:
I suppose a drastic increase in sugars consumption make them more likely to have their peak power available after 5 hours of racing (like on PdB) but it obviously doesn't up the peak power itself. Other factors must be in play. But what can be more efficient than unlimited EPO? (without hitting absurd blood values on top of that)
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Ya, but peak power for a few minutes thanks to sugars certainly doesn't explain beating Pantani's record by 3 1/2 minutes in a 40 minute climb. I don't see how it could be unlimited EPO as that means serious corruption. I mean Vinokourov was busted in the 2007 TdF for homologous blood transfusion. The EPO test was available in 2000.
 
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Cookster15 said:
Ya, but peak power for a few minutes thanks to sugars certainly doesn't explain beating Pantani's record by 3 1/2 minutes in a 40 minute climb. I don't see how it could be unlimited EPO as that means serious corruption. I mean Vinokourov was busted in the 2007 TdF for homologous blood transfusion. The EPO test was available in 2000.
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By peak power I actually meant the highest one can generate on a given climb (i.e. threshold power in case of long climbs), not some short 5-minute VO2max power. So maybe "best power" is a more fitting term.
 
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Cookster15

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Krzysztof_O said:
By peak power I actually meant the highest one can generate on a given climb (i.e. threshold power in case of long climbs), not some short 5-minute VO2max power.
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It can't be nutrition (sugars) that explains PdB. PdB is a 40 minute climb even for Pogacar. Sugars don't last anything close to 40 minutes when cycling at FTP power.

This is a good article:
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The Three Energy Systems and How They Relate to Cycling

Energy production in organisms comes from the controlled breaking of complex molecules into simpler ones. For us humans, we break ATP (adenosine triphosphate) down into ADP (adenosine diphosphate) by popping off one of the phosphate molecules. The energy produced in this process is used by our...
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  1. Immediate ATP-CP (sprinting)
  2. Short term anaerobic (up to 3 minutes)
  3. Long term aerobic (over 3 minutes)
The main advantage of the Anaerobic system is that it can provide energy for some two minutes
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The Aerobic system is relied on heavily by most cyclists. Any effort greater than two minutes is mostly aerobic, so for every one of us except track sprinters and BMX racers, the value of the Aerobic system cannot be understated. Improving the efficiency of this system is paramount to success in the sport of cycling and is the system most professional cyclists spend their time improving.
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So this rules out nutrition. It must be some form of sophisticated blood doping. And it can't be only Pogi and UAE either.
 
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