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I had what they say Matthews has and I didn't get it for training for MSR. Old fshioned blood doping is more likely.
I'm confused. The way your post is written it almost sounds as if you yourself got pulmonary embolism from blood doping?

I assume that's not the correct understanding of your post so I'm sorry if I sound careless. I hope you're well now? :)
 
Would mechanical doping with a torsional spring in the rear hub be possible?
There would be a loaded torsional spring, that could be released electrically and then provide extra power for 30s or 1min or so. Like in an old clock basically.
I did not go through the numbers yet, though, whether that would make sense and could provide meaningful energy for 1min on a final climb.
 
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Watching the Diamond League athletics one can reflect on the world records many of which have stood for many years e.g 1500m, 800m. Athletics has a standard set of distances so athletes can be compared to their counterparts of years ago. The only event which has seen consistent big improvements is the marathon due to shoe technology. Hicham El Guerrouj from 2004 is still better than today's 1500m runners.

Pro road cycling does not have a standard set to compare generations - but I keep reading that the "numbers" improve every year e.g Pogi Jonas 24 were measurably better than 23. that Roglic's "numbers" are much better than when he nearly won the Tour, that the "numbers" today are way better than Froome or Contador could produce.

So what's going on in cycling? No doubt legal technology is always improving - but enough to account for such improvements? Surely today's riders are motor/chemical doping off the charts - or is something else going on?
 
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Watching the Diamond League athletics one can reflect on the world records many of which have stood for many years e.g 1500m, 800m. Athletics has a standard set of distances so athletes can be compared to their counterparts of years ago. The only event which has seen consistent big improvements is the marathon due to shoe technology. Hicham El Guerrouj from 2004 is still better than today's 1500m runners.

Pro road cycling does not have a standard set to compare generations - but I keep reading that the "numbers" improve every year e.g Pogi Jonas 24 were measurably better than 23. that Roglic's "numbers" are much better than when he nearly won the Tour, that the "numbers" today are way better than Froome or Contador could produce.

So what's going on in cycling? No doubt legal technology is always improving - but enough to account for such improvements? Surely today's riders are motor/chemical doping off the charts - or is something else going on?
Everything in cycling has changed.. Rider height, weight, clothing, frame and wheel design. Training, nutrition, cross training, tactics, rider position. Tire pressure, size, materials, bearing surfaces, frame materials.. And many of those things cross over to many sports including running..yes something else is going on.. Science!! And many old school racers are saying it often and out loud, too much data, not enough heart, instinct and lack of race days..
 
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The calculations account for changes in kits, bikes, helmets, even road surfaces. So the only legal technologies impacting the calculated watts would be nutrition and training...
I read this a fair bit, but I don't understand how. Like, how do the calculations account for these changes? It seems to me they pretty much just work out how fast someone went up a particular climb compared to someone else.
 
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There are also "strange" things in athletics. Like the 400m hurdels final in Tokyo '21. Or Mo Farah. For example.

Of course - there are strange things in many sports. But all of the Olympic men's events the world records are 5 years old or more.

I don't buy that cycling has discovered training and nutrition improvements not available to other athletes. It would also be strange if chemical doping improvements but were not similarly available. I think there can only be 2 reasons

1) Testing in cycling is particularly weak - certainly weaker than track and field - and may even be almost non-existent for practical purposes

2) Motor doping - which would not be easily implementable in athletics.

My money is on (2) - and that it's so new that there are rapid improvements in the technology that are producing these remarkable "numbers". But I would also like to see the TUEs of Pogi, Jonas, etc
 
In regards to the absence of suspicion, no rumours about what they are taking etc. Well here you go, AICAR, TB500/Peptides, tiny detection window, innumerable novel variants, still not banned, various figures from past still involved. Ineos and German/Slovenian networks via Aderlass directly named, keep in mind this is what they are allowed to report, rather than everything they know


"Doping Top Secret: In the Slipstream"Aicar and "extraterrestrials": ARD documentary reignites doping discussion​

Stand: 21.06.2025 05:00 Uhr
Cycling insiders have spent years insisting that professional cycling has learned the lessons of its dark past. New research from the ARD doping editorial team concludes differently.


Von Hajo Seppelt, Sebastian Krause, Lea Löffler, Tom Mustroph und Jörg Mebus
New doubts about "extraterrestrial" performances, alleged death threats and Aicar as a possible "means of choice" in the peloton: The ARD documentary "Doping Top Secret: In the Slipstream" raises fresh doping discussions two weeks before the start of the Tour de France - not only through the research about a former accomplice of the Erfurt blood doping network, who still works unaffected at the top team Ineos Grenadiers.

In the film, anonymous whistleblowers with deep insights into professional cycling have their say. Their statements are in stark contrast to the persistent assurances of riders and officials that cycling has learned its lessons from dark doping times and can look to the future with no worries.

Alleged death threats​

"Many people in cycling are afraid to talk. I know some who wanted to testify, they were threatened with death when the doping masterminds found out that they wanted to talk," said a former professional cyclist who rode in a top team and experienced doping in the industry himself. He affirms his statements under oath.

The last positive doping test during the Tour de France was a decade ago in 2015, but the man added: "To believe that nothing illegal has been taken at the Tour de France since 2015 - that's a joke. I was close myself and noticed that doping continued."

EPO in microdosing and Aicar​

The other anonymous whistleblower from "Doping Top Secret: In the Slipstream" is a man who is familiar with many doping practices in cycling. He has deep insights into the professional cycling scene and is known there.

He reports that an illegal substance that appeared in the 2010s still plays a major role today: Aicar, an actually endogenous metabolic activator, which is used in its synthetic form as a doping agent and highly effectively increases the energy level in the muscles - which is why it is on the prohibited list.

"People who are active in professional cycling today say: Aicar was and is the means of choice in the peloton," explains the whistleblower. This was already the case after the major doping scandals - "and it is still the case today". The endurance booster EPO is also still popular in microdosing, the man said. He also signed an affidavit for this.

"Door opened that never closed again"​

Ron Evans of the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in San Diego, California, is considered the father of the synthetic aicar. In 2008, his research paved the way for the use of Aicar as a drug that is used in cancer regeneration, among other things.

The potential for abuse in sport was immediately recognised not only by Evans, but also by "the Tour de France organisers and the World Anti-Doping Agency." Evans said he was sure that many in the sport had benefited from the remedy: "It opened a door that never closed again."

Doping controls as IQ tests​

In the film, an expert has his say who considers the prohibition measures of the anti-doping institution in sports against Aicar to be almost ineffective - not only because the detection window for the substance is extremely small. "If I were an athlete, would I take Aicar knowing it's on the prohibited list? Or would I rather take Aicar's relatives who are not on the prohibited list?" says Oliver Catlin, nutrition and doping expert from Los Angeles. In a simple Google search, he found 166 Aicar-like preparations, of which only four appear by name on the WADA banned list.

Oliver Catlin, nutrition and doping expert from Los Angeles.

Oliver Catlin, nutrition and doping expert from Los Angeles.
The son of the American anti-doping legend Don Catlin describes doping controls as intelligence tests: "If you are caught competing with things that are on the prohibited list, that would be unsurpassed in stupidity in today's world."

"Developments outweigh the advantages of illegal substances"​

Experts from cycling also have their say in the documentary, who believe that the explosive improvements in performances by modern cyclists can be clearly explained by wide-ranging innovations. "I think the big developments even outweigh the benefits of illegal substances in the past. We are talking about many improvements: material, aerodynamics, of course, weight, bike handling, grip, comfort," says product developer Filippo Galli from the bike manufacturer Colnago.

Kristof de Kegel, nutritionist at Alpecin Deceunick, for example, reports on groundbreaking advances in his field, which is accompanied by an increase in the amount of carbohydrates that drivers can absorb per hour.

"Can't explain what's going on on the street"​

Others disagree. French sports scientist Pierre Sallet, for instance, does not believe that rule-compliant developments in machine, man and material can explain the rapid improvements in course records. "We know the limits of human performance. We know what is feasible for a person and what is not. There are certainly gray areas," Sallet said, "but at some point the zone turns black, then it's 100 per cent doping."


Pierre Sallet, French sports scientist, does not believe in clean cycling.
Sallet has already analysed performance data of the Tour de France on French television in the days of convicted dopers such as Jan Ullrich and Lance Armstrong and coined the term "aliens" on the bike at that time. He suspects that critical comments such as these contributed to the decision not to extend his contract with the tour organiser ASO.

With a view to the rapid performances in the current peloton, he says: "I can't explain what's going on on the road. For example: A normal adult male is between 1.60 m and 2.20 m tall. But the performances that we sometimes see, that would be as if the man were three meters tall."

Appeal to officials and drivers​

Roger Legeay, the founder and president of the "Movement for Credible Cycling" (MPCC), considers the anti-doping regulations of WADA and the UCI to be too lax and the organisations too cumbersome. "That's precisely why," he says, powerful anti-doping work is "the job of the team managers, the doctors, the sports directors, the riders – they have to do it. All these people from cycling – they are the ones who have to ensure ethical and clean sport that is less suspicious."

But professional cycling is still teeming with convicted doping offenders or riders and other team members who have been incriminated in investigations. Nevertheless, they will continue to be employed in the industry - in a total of 14 of the 18 World Tour teams.
 
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"Doping Top Secret: In the Slipstream""Medico Tehna": Slovenian company again under doping spotlight​

Stand: 21.06.2025 05:00 Uhr
In the 2010s, a medical technology company in Ljubljana was a point of contact for Mark S., the Erfurt blood doping doctor. The ARD documentary "In the Slipstream" shows: "Medico Tehna" is still open to dubious business today.


Von Hajo Seppelt, Sebastian Krause, Lea Löffler, Tom Mustroph und Jörg Mebus

In the end, everything happened very quickly. The management of the Slovenian medical technology company Medico Tehna had asked for some time to think about it in the consultations about the alleged purchase of the "Multi Component Collection System", after all, they had "a few problems", said the company manager - with "athletes" who had used the device for "illegal doping".

21.06.2025

"Doping Top Secret: In the slipstream"German blood doping ring accomplice a major figure in cycling​

ARD can reveal that numerous members or customers of the dismantled Erfurt blood doping network have escaped punishment. An accomplice of doping doctor Mark S. has been working undisturbed for years at leading team Ineos Grenadiers. mehr


One is therefore "rather hesitant" with a sale, because such devices are "actually intended for medical treatments". In the end, the Slovenians apparently cast aside all scruples. The lure of money – the machine, which in theory could be the heart of a blood doping ring in sports, costs up to 50,000 euros including accessories – was apparently too strong.

Delivery "in two to three weeks"​

The promise to sell and deliver the device to interested parties from Germany was made a few days later by telephone. Behind the alleged buyers, who had introduced themselves as sports managers with contacts in the cycling scene, was the ARD doping editorial team. During the course of the consultations, which also took place at the company's headquarters in Ljubljana, the journalists had clearly expressed the illegal purpose of the machine.

 Employee of the Slovenian medical technology company Medico Tehna.

No scruples: employees of the Slovenian medical technology company Medico Tehna.

And the last phone call, in which the supposed deal was concluded, lasted only a few minutes. The manager said shortly before the completion of the film that the machine could possibly be "delivered in two to three weeks".

Even the renewed emphasis that fast delivery was of great importance because of the planned use of the machine at upcoming sporting events left the employee with no more scruples: "Okay, no problem, thank you!" Apparently, it is still easy to get hold of medical equipment that can also be misused for illegal blood doping.


A cyclist in a wind tunnel



21.06.2025

"Doping Top Secret: In the Slipstream"Aicar and "extraterrestrials": ARD documentary reignites doping discussion​

Cycling insiders have spent years insisting that professional cycling has learned the lessons of its dark past. New research from the ARD doping editorial team concludes differently. mehr


Tipping "only if you are alone"​

Medico Tehna had already come under pressure in the course of "Operation Aderlass" because it served as a contact point for the Erfurt blood doping mastermind Mark S. Among other things, the company was also mentioned in the chats between Mark S. and two accomplices, which had been leaked to the ARD doping editorial team during research for the film "In the Slipstream".

Even tip payments in Ljubljana were conspiratorial. "Mark, do I have to tip at Medico Tehna? If so, how much?" one of the accomplices wrote to Mark S. The doctor replied that he should give the contact person a hundred euros, "but really only if you are alone and no one sees it".

No response to request​

In the course of the bloodletting trials, an employee of the company had been convicted of aiding and abetting: On February 10, 2022, Gregor A. was sentenced to a suspended sentence of one year and nine months by the Sonthofen District Court as Mark S.'s helper for "prohibited use of doping methods in sports". The current management of Medico Tehna left an inquiry from the ARD doping editorial team on the latest facts unanswered. It is unclear whether the company in Slovenia will now face consequences.
 
TB500/Peptides named as in-use substances, does anyone know the unnamed individual at Ineos, can't be too hard to figure it out?


ARD can reveal that numerous members or customers of the dismantled Erfurt blood doping network have escaped punishment. An accomplice of doping doctor Mark S. has been working undisturbed for years at leading team Ineos Grenadiers.

Von Hajo Seppelt, Sebastian Krause, Lea Löffler, Tom Mustroph und Jörg Mebus
Just before the start of the Tour de France, cycling is being caught up by its dark doping past – partly because of a statement made by Munich's chief public prosecutor Kai Gräber in an interview with ARD's doping editorial team.

“It may well be that at some point, incidents that occurred in the past can no longer be punished due to the statute of limitations," he said. Gräber was in charge of "Operation Aderlass" (Operation Bloodletting), which led to the dismantling of the Erfurt blood doping network surrounding doctors and mastermind Mark S.

This issue posed major challenges for Gräber at the time. Many of the suspected offences had already exceeded the statute of limitations under criminal law. Gräber emphasises that he could not initiate proceedings if it was "absolutely clear" that "no prosecution could be brought."

Mark S. accomplice now in Team Ineos​

For professional sport - especially cycling, which today likes to present itself as reformed after countless doping scandals - this fact raises new and sensitive questions. Such figures are likely to remains involved in the sport for many years. According to Gräber, no further investigations were carried out against up to 20 suspects from the blood doping ring or with contacts to it as part of "Operation Aderlass".

Few were subsequently prosecuted by the sports courts, which, unlike the criminal courts, are only subject to a ten-year statute of limitations – for example, professional cyclists Alessandro Petacchi and Kristijan Koren, both clients of Mark S.

According to ARD research, up to 14 people, some of whom are under serious suspicion, got off scot-free, most of them from cycling. The ARD doping editorial team found one of them during its research for “Im Windschatten” (In the Slipstream).

One of the men now holds an important position at Team Ineos Grenadiers, the successor to Team Sky, by far the most successful team in cycling in the 2010s. The man was also part of the team when Briton Chris Froome dominated the sport almost at will and won the Tour de France three times in a row (2015 to 2017). There are no reasonable grounds for suspicions against Froome in connection with this person or Team Sky.

Because the sport's anti-doping organisations apparently did not investigate in a timely manner and the statute of limitations has now expired, the media is no longer allowed to disclose the person's identity for reasons of personal rights. For this reason, the man's name is not mentioned in the film.

Mediation by ‘Maestro Baltazar’​

The suspicions against the man come from chat logs found on mobile phones seized by Mark S. during the "Aderlass" investigation. The ARD doping editorial team has been given access to the original logs, which contain chat histories between Mark S. and the man who is still active in cycling today with Team Ineos, as well as another accomplice.

The suspicions arising from the chats are serious and even suggest that the man may have played an important role in Mark S.'s network. For example, he introduced S. to a suspected doping dealer, whom the Erfurt doctor later recommended to his clients as a supplier of banned substances such as Aicar and TB500. Code name: Maestro Baltazar.

Financier for blood doping equipment​

According to the correspondence, he also acted as a financier for the third man involved in the chat. This money was used to purchase blood doping equipment from companies in Vienna and Ljubljana. Payment was always made in cash, and the trio mostly used Slovenian prepaid mobile phone cards for communication, which the two accomplices organised for Mark S.

The men moved cautiously in the cycling business. ‘I'll be at the track on Sunday, but it's better if people only see me in the group,’ Mark S. wrote in the run-up to the main race at a world championships.

According to messages written in English, the man, who still works in cycling today, also helped the blood doping doctor with his insider knowledge when it came to travel planning. "Do you already know which hotel the Slovenians are staying at for the World Championships? I need a room from Wednesday." The man also helped plan a visit by the Erfurt doctor to the Tour de France.

The current Ineos employee asked the doctor elsewhere whether he still had any of an unspecified substance in stock that he had previously organised for a German racing team: "If so, can you bring it for the boys?"

Ineos: ‘No comment’​

The man did not respond to a detailed enquiry from the ARD doping editorial team. The management of Team Ineos replied: "We do not wish to comment at this time." It is unclear whether the team is aware of the man's past. It is also unclear whether the employee will show up at the Tour de France, which starts on 5 July in Lille.

Some of Mark S.'s accomplices who did not benefit from the statute of limitations received heavy suspended sentences in the "bloodletting" trial. The doctor himself was sentenced to years in prison and also lost his licence to practise medicine for life.

The fact that one of Erfurt's accomplices is still able to work in sport completely unrestricted is described by Cologne sports law professor Jan F. Orth as "difficult to bear". The approach taken by the organisations concerned can be described as 'highly negligent at the very least', Orth told ARD, especially in view of one remarkable fact: The names of the man who still works for Ineos and Mark S.'s other chat partner were even mentioned during the bloodletting trial in the Munich courtroom when parts of the chats were read out – and yet nothing happened afterwards. Orth said that this was fundamentally how "the fight against doping will fail".

"Carrying them to the hunt"​

Orth expressly defends the Munich public prosecutor's office - which is, after all, a centre for doping offences - in this regard. It is "not a source of information or intelligence". Gräber did not want to comment in detail on this issue in the ARD interview for legal reasons, as the proceedings had long since been concluded.

However, Orth sees a clear failure in the fact that the men were not prosecuted under sports law at the time and that one of them was able to pursue a career in one of the world’s most successful teams. "This once again underlines the image that the responsible ladies and gentlemen and organisations in the fight against doping, at least in cycling, still need to be hunted down."

ITA still investigating in 2025​

The International Cycling Union (UCI), together with the International Testing Agency (ITA), which runs anti-doping activities on its behalf, did not mention the Ineos employee's past in their responses to the ARD's enquiries. The question of how long the organisations had known about the specific case also remain unanswered.

The ITA, which has only been responsible for cycling since 2021, stated that it had investigated unspecified circumstances "in early 2025" after receiving "new information from the German authorities" – apparently after it had got wind of the ARD's investigations.

"The outcome of this investigation did not allow the ITA to refer a potential case to the UCI," both organisations said in almost identical statements. Apparently, their hands were tied due to the statute of limitations – no new grounds for suspicion were found.

Slovenian company again under scrutiny​

During "Operation Aderlass" six years ago, it became clear that the medical technology company Medico Tehna in Ljubljana had played an important role in the doping network, where Mark S. had also received technical support for his business. And the company is seemingly still open to questionable deals.

Disguised as a sports management company in cycling, the ARD Doping Editorial Team received a commitment from the company to purchase and deliver a blood doping machine worth up to 50,000 euros. According to its own statements, Medico Tehna is only permitted to sell to medical institutions.
 
I read this a fair bit, but I don't understand how. Like, how do the calculations account for these changes? It seems to me they pretty much just work out how fast someone went up a particular climb compared to someone else.
Some clever people worked out a mathematical formula for estimating the Watts. That's the formula they use...
 
Imagine watching pro-cycling in 2025 and thinking these guys are clean. Ha... ha.... and another ha.

Enjoy the show. But that investigation seems light on results (& it's obviously timed perfectly two weeks before the TdF and the Netflix documentary airs).
 
Watching the Diamond League athletics one can reflect on the world records many of which have stood for many years e.g 1500m, 800m. Athletics has a standard set of distances so athletes can be compared to their counterparts of years ago. The only event which has seen consistent big improvements is the marathon due to shoe technology. Hicham El Guerrouj from 2004 is still better than today's 1500m runners.

Pro road cycling does not have a standard set to compare generations - but I keep reading that the "numbers" improve every year e.g Pogi Jonas 24 were measurably better than 23. that Roglic's "numbers" are much better than when he nearly won the Tour, that the "numbers" today are way better than Froome or Contador could produce.

So what's going on in cycling? No doubt legal technology is always improving - but enough to account for such improvements? Surely today's riders are motor/chemical doping off the charts - or is something else going on?
Different sports.

I'm pretty sure VO2 max and 3-5 minute W/kg have improved much less explosively across the board than the longer efforts in cycling.

Then you have the simple difference that cycling is weight bearing so there's more biomechanical load issues you need to measure with training.

Then you have the simple fact that cycling has multi hour races with all effort levels in there and often including maximal 10-40 minute efforts in a depleted state which you don't really have.

All these together may simply mean cyclists wlil benefit more from year round doped up training even if runners were to use the same stuff.