State of the Peloton 2025

[Rob5091]

Regarding the second quote from the article, he is not exactly wrong.

This quote you mean?

"It shows we’re held to a different standard than a lot of other teams.”

If so, it's just bs, as Rozman's "troubles" are due to a public court case and not one of the UCI/WADA secret get togethers. If it were Visma, Bora or whoever it would still be all over the news.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Who will clinic favourite Wiggo point the finger at? Will it be Dodgy Dave, Chris Clive, Rozman, the illusive Maestro Balthazar, or the much more likely option of 'dark forces' and 'elements within British cycling'.

Bradley Wiggins on doping allegations: ‘Team Sky chucked me under a bus to protect someone else’

Bradley Wiggins says Team Sky sacrificed him to “protect someone else” during the doping investigations that overshadowed the final years of his career.

www.domestiquecycling.com

I won't be purchasing the fog he is selling so hopefully someone on here with deep pockets can give us the cliffnotes.

 

[Ripper]

This quote you mean?

If so, it's just bs, as Rozman's "troubles" are due to a public court case and not one of the UCI/WADA secret get togethers. If it were Visma, Bora or whoever it would still be all over the news.

I think the statement "I think if you looked at other teams as intensely, then there will be lots of questions about them” is actually correct. I don't think it changes anything about the attention Ineos received in this case, and it could just be deflection and whining from G (I'm only reading the bits you have provided). However, other than this forum, do other teams get the same attention on their associations? I mean UAE most likely should get hammered once a month for their continued leadership/management team of ex-dopers and former doping leadership actively running the team, but that bear rarely was poked, never mind fully investigated.

So G can be correct in some or much of what he says, but that does not change the issues at hand for Ineos and what has occurred. It is somewhat like saying ... "but other people do bad stuff too, why do we get all the h8t? Boo hoo"

 

[Rob5091]

What UAE have done these past years is way more then Team Sky did in their worse "jacked up" years. Should UAE be the poster boys everday of the week for "enhanced" guys and extremely dodgy management? Absolutely, but you can also add on Visma and some other teams who have joined in the "arms race".
UAE's/Pogis's PR has also been way better then Sky's.

 

[AmRacer]

What UAE have done these past years is way more then Team Sky did in their worse "jacked up" years. Should UAE be the poster boys everday of the week for "enhanced" guys and extremely dodgy management? Absolutely, but you can also add on Visma and some other teams who have joined in the "arms race".
UAE's/Pogis's PR has also been way better then Sky's.

Sky has won GTs with multiple riders.
Visma has won GTs with multiple riders.
UAE hasn't.

 

[Rob5091]

Sky has won GTs with multiple riders.
Visma has won GTs with multiple riders.
UAE hasn't.

Did Sky or Visma win nearly 100 races in a year with 20 different riders? How many monuments or World Champs have they won since 2019?

 

[AmRacer]

Did Sky or Visma win nearly 100 races in a year with 20 different riders? How many monuments or World Champs have they won since 2019?

2019? Since the rise of Pogi the 🐐?

 

[Rob5091]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...left-out-of-red-bull-boras-end-of-season-camp

In a few days, the Red Bull–Bora–Hansgrohe structure will gather at Red Bull’s headquarters, bringing together more than 200 people for nearly a week. Oier Lazkano will not be among them.

To me, it seems more and more likely that he's been popped.

 

[Rob5091]

A man who knows a thing or two about "recovery", says it's all down to ..."this generation is just special"
https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-racing/why-burnout-fading-from-modern-racing/

Now it seems the riders who start the season strong, remain strong, and even get stronger as the season progresses. What’s changed?

 

[Tim Cahill]

Lazkano is allegedly the modern day equivalent of a 10 on the UCI suspicion index. Teflon Unzue has been laughed at and underestimated but the *** has produced yet another masterclass, guys getting popped before and after Movistar/Caisse d'Epargne/Banesto etc etc.

'They're all infected but he'll be alright'.

 

[Rob5091]

Well, boys and girls, mums and dads, that seems about it for the Euro pro-cycling for this year. Time to roll up the big top, sweep up the sawdust and the clowns are off to Thailand or where ever they go with the wives and girlfriends..
Of course we have the big roll out of the travelling circus itinerary for next year's July tour on Thursday, but in the meanwhile why not a poll on how mindblowing and mindnumbing the year has been?
10 for "everyone on rocket fuel, yippee!" and 1 for "not UAE again !"

Thanks to all contributors in the thread of course.

 

[noob]

We can now conclude that when they're all in the same car definitely riding panagua Roglic is the best and Pog second

Such a hilarious outcome of this year

 

[houtdffan]

UCI recommends against use of legal ketone supplements among professional cyclists due to lack of evidence of performance benefits

Ketones remain legal but UCI joins MPCC in stance against their use

www.cyclingnews.com

The ultimate UCI LOL

Recommending the peloton does not use Keytones because they don't help performance

The UCI is saying don't use something because it is not doping

Get ready for qball planetary destruction performances next year

 

[Ripper]

UCI recommends against use of legal ketone supplements among professional cyclists due to lack of evidence of performance benefits

Ketones remain legal but UCI joins MPCC in stance against their use

www.cyclingnews.com

The ultimate UCI LOL

Recommending the peloton does not use Keytones because they don't help performance

The UCI is saying don't use something because it is not doping

Get ready for qball planetary destruction performances next year

They should definitely develop a test for it! That way they can test for a substance that does not improve performance and it would not make any differences if found 🤣🤣🤣

 

[proffate]

UCI recommends against use of legal ketone supplements among professional cyclists due to lack of evidence of performance benefits

Ketones remain legal but UCI joins MPCC in stance against their use

www.cyclingnews.com

The ultimate UCI LOL

Recommending the peloton does not use Keytones because they don't help performance

The UCI is saying don't use something because it is not doping

Get ready for qball planetary destruction performances next year

They should be more careful. HVMN is now lawyering up to sue them in some obscure European court for brand damages.

 

[houtdffan]

They should definitely develop a test for it! That way they can test for a substance that does not improve performance and it would not make any differences if found 🤣🤣🤣

Knowing the UCI under Selfie Lapperiant, they'd suspend the riders for not doping

 

[AlpRaid]

https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...left-out-of-red-bull-boras-end-of-season-camp

To me, it seems more and more likely that he's been popped.

I think the (or a) cycling podcast actually intimated that he had biological passport issues...

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Their next study will probably prove that EPO is as effective as orange juice.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Oxford ketone ester has extremely well documented fat loss literature behind it. It’s used in the military and cycling teams spend millions on it. That stuff your mum pays over the odds from Holland and Barrett’s for is snake oil however.

 

[topcat]

UCI recommends that people don't take them seriously. Sorry, I can't upload the link.

 

[houtdffan]

Knowing the UCI under Selfie Lapperiant, they'd suspend the riders for not doping

Don't give them ideas

It's like when the banned Tramadol only after Tapentadol, which is 10 times more powerful, became available. UCI took no action

The UCI only banned a drug as doping when something much better became available

 

[Tim Cahill]

Valverde's boy has been done on whereabouts.

It's now down to Henrique to fly the flag for the Brazilian's.

UCI statement concerning Vinicius Rangel Costa

www.uci.org

 

[Sciatic]

Oxford ketone ester has extremely well documented fat loss literature behind it. It’s used in the military and cycling teams spend millions on it. That stuff your mum pays over the odds from Holland and Barrett’s for is snake oil however.

Interesting

 

[Rob5091]

After what Wiggins has been insinuating for the past week and the ongoing Rozman scandal, Mr Rowe should maybe start having a look at his old team -
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...-he-used-to-bully-convicted-dopers-in-peloton

"Imagine [if] every rider had the same mentality. Imagine you got caught for drugs, you're cheating, [a] scumbag, [you] come back to the sport, you're on the start line with 160 riders and all of them treat you like *** which is all you deserve. You wouldn't want to be in that peloton for long. You could just bully them out the sport. Back to where they belong."

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Seeing rumours about biopassport for lakzano

Resisted speculation so far on the chance that the absence is mental health related but Denk's outright refusal to comment or say it's health related has invited it;

The latest we know about him is from today, at the end of the second week of the Vuelta a España, with Patxi Vila, the Red Bull director, denying any information to Marca: "I can't comment on anything due to team directives."

Lazkano popped?

Correct, as it turns out.

Lazkano provisional suspended for biopassport irregularities over 3 years (2022-24)

UCI Statement on Oier Lazkano Lopez

www.uci.org

Reminds me of Jaime roson a bit, 25yo Spaniard with biopassport issues, he got 4 years and it ended his career.