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Moondance said:
Enjoy the horse's head you will wake up next to tomorrow morning. It comes courtesy of De Familie ;)
I'd be more afraid of the Garminista's, if I were him. They seem to have the capability to rig polls without anyone noticing, always staying a few votes behind the Dutch, but overtaking them in the end. Too bad that Team Schlux will already have won by then.
 
No mention of Euskatel and Moviestar?

Moviestar always find a way to insert themselves into the mix.

Arroyo, Tondo, Bruzhegin, Soler, Rubén Plaza. All 2nd tier gt contenders. But together, they could do big things.

Intxaustis not bad. Potential there. Ruben Plaza looks to be on the way back.

Thats 6 gc potential top 10ers in 1 team. A team ready to take advantage of any more potential Laquillas.

According to Libertine Seguroz, Madrazo has a good future.


Euskatel is mainly Samu and Anton. But both would be favourites for any non Tour Gt they may enter. With some luck, might have a shot at the TOur too.

And Geox. Menchov, Sastre AND Duarte, along with all the others. Man that is a team.
 
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I voted Garmin. Strong in 3/4ths of all races (Cobbles-Hushovd, Ardennes - Ryder, Sprint - Farrar, GC - ???)

Its unfortunate they aren't strong in the GC department but every year they seem to get someone in the top 10 of a couple of GTs. Who will be the surprise this year and will it be the BIG surprise?? Lots of possibilities that could podium if the stars align (VDV, Ryder, Tommy D, Martin, Le Mevel even)
 
The Hitch said:
No mention of Euskatel and Moviestar?

Moviestar always find a way to insert themselves into the mix.

Arroyo Tondo, Bruzhegin, Soler, Rubén Plaza. All 2nd tier gt contenders. But together, they could do big things.

Intxaustis not bad. Potential there. Ruben Plaza looks to be on the way back.

Thats 6 gc potential top 10ers in 1 team. A team ready to take advantage of any more potential Laquillas.

According to Libertine Seguroz, Madrazo has a good future.


Euskatel is mainly Samu and Anton. But both would be favourites for any non Tour Gt they may enter. With some luck, might have a shot at the TOur too.

And Geox. Menchov, Sastre AND Duarte, along with all the others. Man that is a team.

Dont forget Sergio Pardilla in that list, he is definetly another Moviestar rider with clear top 10 GT-potential if not more. Samoilau could perhaps even also be included in that list if he should find his best form.

And yes Madrazo (Im not him) is a huge talent, though he has been dissapointing in the first 2 years as a pro. But so was Cunego, so his big breakthrough could easily come soon. The same goes for Amador btw., and of course Rojas, Ventoso and Appollonio is also a very strong trio for other races ..

I agree also that Geox needs mention with Menchov, Sastre and Duarte. And also Danielle Ratto is a huge talent on the verge of a big breakthrough, as well as Felline, Valls and Kump. And most of all David Blanco is another great rider for the GTs that will do very well, so its very strong team, and then Di Luca might even join also.
 
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What??? No choice for Skil??? Come on man LOL!!

I vote Liquigas. Just think it is all going to come together for them next season.
 
Greenflame said:
I'm going with Liquigas. It's close between them and Lux (assuming Cancellara is going to the Schlecks), but Liquigas has the edge in my opinion.

Liquigas can podium on 3 GT's next year, if Nibali takes the Giro and Vuelta and Basso the Tour. They have a good shot of winning 2 out of 3, and are the only team with a realistic chance of winning all three. Their support team for the mountains (generally known as Schmyd) is amazing, better than what the Schlecks have. In other races, Nibali has a good shot at picking up a win at the classics (a better chance than the Schlecks and Fuglsang imo). They are lacking in the cobbled classics, but in smaller stage races they're sure to pick up some wins with Sagan and others.

Team Lux with the Schlecks, Fuglsang and Cancellara seems to be a great team, I'm just not quite sure about what they're going to achieve beyond the cobbles and the Tour. Maybe a win at the Ardennes, but they'll likely achieve nothing in the other two GT's. An outside chance at some sprint victories with Bennati and Weylands and a possible top 10 with Fuglsang is about it.

Rabobank seems very impressive for next year, but are lacking a true GC contender. Sorry for the Gesink and TGBM fans (myself included), but neither will win a GT anytime soon, nor wil LL Sanchez. If Team Lux does not get Cancellara Rabo is the second strongest team on my list, but it seems likely Cancellara will go with the Schlecks, in which case their team is stronger.

As for other teams, OPL is looking great, but VDB will not win any great races. Greipel and Gilbert are sure to pick up some victories, but Greipel won't win anything big where Cav and Ferrar are around. Garmin-Cervelo is looking good as well, I'm looking forward to seeing them in action on the cobbles. Problem is, as others have mentioned, a GC contender. Same goes for HTC. Sky looks stronger than last year, but doesn't have any standout riders that will win them big races. They will pick up a nice amount of wins and top tens, but nothing major. Katusha and Geox are looking good, but just don't have enough top riders. Sastre and Menchov will pick up podium spots at GT's, perhaps some stages, but won't win, and neither will Rodriquez.

Meh, Gesink could already win a GT if he focused on the Vuelta or the Giro. I mean cmon, in a way stronger field than giro 10/vuelta 10 (vuelta 09) he was already battling for the win up until that fall.

But yeah, he will focus on the tour so obviously not win (unless AS gets caught)
 
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I think that with the merger of Cervello, Garmin will have the most wins for the season but they won't win the most prestigious. Team Lux will win the Tour. I'm leaning towards BMC for the Giro and Vuelta.
 
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ok.....two grand tour wins for Evans is optimistic....to the point of foolishness....but i tend to cheer for the underdog. Evans had a good showing at this years Giro. He didn't do the Vuelta did he because he was focused on the rainbow? can't win if you don't show. Can I change my vote? Team Lux for the Tour & the Vuelta (Andy for TDF and Frank for Vuelta) and BMC for Giro. Garmin will still have the most total stages and race wins.
 
MADRAZO said:
Dont forget Sergio Pardilla in that list, he is definetly another Moviestar rider with clear top 10 GT-potential if not more. Samoilau could perhaps even also be included in that list if he should find his best form.

And yes Madrazo (Im not him) is a huge talent, though he has been dissapointing in the first 2 years as a pro. But so was Cunego, so his big breakthrough could easily come soon. The same goes for Amador btw., and of course Rojas, Ventoso and Appollonio is also a very strong trio for other races ..

I agree also that Geox needs mention with Menchov, Sastre and Duarte. And also Danielle Ratto is a huge talent on the verge of a big breakthrough, as well as Felline, Valls and Kump. And most of all David Blanco is another great rider for the GTs that will do very well, so its very strong team, and then Di Luca might even join also.

Do they? Do they really? How many wins will those three have between them at the end of next season? 5 maybe...

Menchov, I think, has very little chance of beating Andy Schleck next year in the Tour. There are only 41 (non-flat) ITT kilometers, and much of the gains that Menchov would make in the ITT will be simply the time he lost with his Geox teammates in the TTT (because if there is one thing that all the guys you praise above have in common, it's that none of them are noted for their TTing, David Blanco excepted). Denis could Top-5 the Tour if he's on his best climbing form. Menchov might be able to win a week-long race or two, and do very well in the Vuelta perhaps, but Denis has in recent years proved that he can be good in, at most, 3 races a year on average.

So Sastre... What will he win? He'll be riding all three GTs (assuming Geox gets invited to them all), which will leave leave little room for being good elsewhere. Will he Top-5 in the Giro or Vuelta (assuming he'll cede leadership to Menchov in the Tour at least)? Maybe he could, if he's lucky, but I doubt he'll stake a stage victory unless he's so far down in the GC that the favorites will let him go, since I don't think he' still able to outclimb Basso or Nibali to a victory in the Giro, or Anton in the Vuelta.

So Duarte can do well, and will thrive in a race like the Tour of Switzerland and perhaps take a stage, but he's still only a neo-pro, and you can't rely on a neo-pro to always be there for you. David Blanco has owned the Tour of Portugal the last few years, but he'll have to ride the Tour for Menchov at least, and he will be 36 by the time next season gets really underway. He could do well for his own in a race like Catalonia, or perhaps even the Vuelta if he's allowed a free role. But will he still consistently get results against the tougher opposition of the ProTour races, and being forced to work as a domestique in other races (which he doesn't have to do now).

So then: Ratto, Felline, Valls and Kump. All of those guys have talent and will improve, but between them they were still only good for 6 wins with the pros last year (and none in a ProTour race where Geox will have to shine next year). They're promising for the future no doubt, but they can be considered cornerstones of a team, certainly not a team which is to be considered one of the strongest in the world.

So with Geox this is my complaint. They don't have a big-time sprinter (not even a middle-time sprinter in fact). They have a classics team which is uninspiring to say the least. They're severely lacking quality TTers. They do have a pretty good line-up for climbing, but even then there are better teams out there in that respect (like Liquigas or Team Luxembourg). So no... In my opinion they are in no way even close to being on of the best teams in the peloton. They are faaaar to imbalanced to even be considered.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Meh, Gesink could already win a GT if he focused on the Vuelta or the Giro. I mean cmon, in a way stronger field than giro 10/vuelta 10 (vuelta 09) he was already battling for the win up until that fall.

But yeah, he will focus on the tour so obviously not win (unless AS gets caught)

Hmm I don't think Gesink would have beaten Basso in the Giro or Nibali in the Vuelta. And even if both Contador and Andy Schleck both can't ride, right now I'm rating guys like Menchov and Evans higher. Gesink is a great climber, but not better than Menchov and Evans, who outclass him in Time Trials. Others like F Schleck, Anton, Basso and S Sanchez climb as good as, if not better than Gesink, and defenitely aren't worse in the TT's. Sorry, I like the guy, but I don't think he could win a GT next year, even if he tried his luck at the Giro or Vuelta.

Am I ready for the full horsebody instead of just the head yet? ;)
 
Moondance said:
Do they? Do they really? How many wins will those three have between them at the end of next season? 5 maybe...

Menchov, I think, has very little chance of beating Andy Schleck next year in the Tour. There are only 41 (non-flat) ITT kilometers, and much of the gains that Menchov would make in the ITT will be simply the time he lost with his Geox teammates in the TTT (because if there is one thing that all the guys you praise above have in common, it's that none of them are noted for their TTing, David Blanco excepted). Denis could Top-5 the Tour if he's on his best climbing form. Menchov might be able to win a week-long race or two, and do very well in the Vuelta perhaps, but Denis has in recent years proved that he can be good in, at most, 3 races a year on average.

I didnt know you guys took Menchov leaving so personally ;)

2011 is an odd number year. He likes those.

And what makes you think Sastre will do all 3 gts. Cervelo made him do the Tour last year because, him being a former winner, he was where most of their exposure would come from, thor or no thor, and i think maybe they had a deal with the Tour that they would bring Sastre along, maybe.

And Duarte is sure a better Gt prospect than Porte, and he came 7th in the Giro, so a lucky breakaway perhaps and he can maybe shine.

Your right though, Geox dont have as good a team as Liqui, Moviestar, HTC, Luxemburg etc. In the classics they will be poor and in the gts they are decent but will need a bit of luck to truimph.
 
The Hitch said:
I didnt know you guys took Menchov leaving so personally ;)

2011 is an odd number year. He likes those.

And what makes you think Sastre will do all 3 gts. Cervelo made him do the Tour last year because, him being a former winner, he was where most of their exposure would come from, thor or no thor, and i think maybe they had a deal with the Tour that they would bring Sastre along, maybe.

And Duarte is sure a better Gt prospect than Porte, and he came 7th in the Giro, so a lucky breakaway perhaps and he can maybe shine.

Your right though, Geox dont have as good a team as Liqui, Moviestar, HTC, Luxemburg etc. In the classics they will be poor and in the gts they are decent but will need a bit of luck to truimph.

I don't know why I'm all of a sudden considered a Menchov fan :confused:

He's certainly a great rider... But the Tour doesn't suit him next year (especially since he'll already lose time in the TTT) and the Giro doesn't either (remember the Giro he won feature the most epic of all TTs in recent memory). And if there's anything that last year proved for me, its that he isn't capable of being strong throughout a season. He has to ration his form and use it wisely. That isn't a slight on him or anything (Andy Schleck is the exact same way) but when building a team which is supposed to be the strongest in cyclingm it's nice to have a workhorse who can be strong and deliver results all season long, like Gesink, Cadel Evans, Valv-Piti, Rodriguez... guys like that.
 
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Daniel Benson said:
from the list provided I'd have to say team lux. Strongest isn't the same as most successful so I've balanced my thoughts with , can this team win a classic or more than one, can they really win a Grand Tour too?

Once you do that the list becomes smaller.

i'm surprised Lotto and Sky are not on the list tbh. Greipel, Gilbert, VBD - that's pretty strong...

Dan
nice to have you on the forum. Don't know why you have sky up there? i guess they might have the best roster of a pro continental team next year.:D
janraaskalt said:
From BMC only Evans is capable of winning a GT next season. In the past he has not won one of them. You predict he will win 2 next season :eek:
Probably 3, but 2 on the dafe side.
Greenflame said:
Hmm I don't think Gesink would have beaten Basso in the Giro or Nibali in the Vuelta. And even if both Contador and Andy Schleck both can't ride, right now I'm rating guys like Menchov and Evans higher. Gesink is a great climber, but not better than Menchov and Evans, who outclass him in Time Trials. Others like F Schleck, Anton, Basso and S Sanchez climb as good as, if not better than Gesink, and defenitely aren't worse in the TT's. Sorry, I like the guy, but I don't think he could win a GT next year, even if he tried his luck at the Giro or Vuelta.

Am I ready for the full horsebody instead of just the head yet? ;)

Yes but next year the grand tours have little tt km's so Gesink should feature highly in whatever GT he competes in. personally for him I think he could take the giro but the team may want him at le tour.
 
Greenflame said:
Hmm I don't think Gesink would have beaten Basso in the Giro or Nibali in the Vuelta. And even if both Contador and Andy Schleck both can't ride, right now I'm rating guys like Menchov and Evans higher. Gesink is a great climber, but not better than Menchov and Evans, who outclass him in Time Trials. Others like F Schleck, Anton, Basso and S Sanchez climb as good as, if not better than Gesink, and defenitely aren't worse in the TT's. Sorry, I like the guy, but I don't think he could win a GT next year, even if he tried his luck at the Giro or Vuelta.

Am I ready for the full horsebody instead of just the head yet? ;)
Gesink is 2 years younger than Nibali, and quite a few more years younger than those other guys you mention... and he's shown more than any of them at that age. But we'll see. Rabo have all their hopes of winning a GT riding on one guy, and obviously Liquigas and Saxo have the benefit of having two contenders rather than one.
 
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Where is Lotto ?
Other ! Greipel will have 50 wins (including 10 GT stages) at the end of the season :D

I think Garmin-Cervelo squad covers all the races/stages with at least one topfavorite - from San Remo to Lombardy. They just don't have a GT winner/favorite.

Possible that Liquigas will be best "GT team" again, but hard to say.
Many changes and transfers in the circus - still open questions regarding transfers and "cases". Will be interesting to see.

For sure I will need weeks to acclimatize to Menchov not riding in a Rabobank jersey and Schlecks+Voigt not in black-white with Riis any more. :cool:
 
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Where is BMC? If we get cancellara we can win any race

Sprints - Kristoff
Stage Races Evans
Grand Tours: Evans
The hilly classics: Evans
Cobbled classics Cancellara


What a team!
 
Greenflame said:
Hmm I don't think Gesink would have beaten Basso in the Giro or Nibali in the Vuelta. And even if both Contador and Andy Schleck both can't ride, right now I'm rating guys like Menchov and Evans higher. Gesink is a great climber, but not better than Menchov and Evans, who outclass him in Time Trials. Others like F Schleck, Anton, Basso and S Sanchez climb as good as, if not better than Gesink, and defenitely aren't worse in the TT's. Sorry, I like the guy, but I don't think he could win a GT next year, even if he tried his luck at the Giro or Vuelta.

Am I ready for the full horsebody instead of just the head yet? ;)
I'm 120% convinced he could beat both Basso and Nibali... didn't he already beat Basso at virtually every climb in the Vuelta last year? And he nearly always did better than Nibali in virtually every possible uphill stage the last 2 years, even as 21 year old he was already better uphill. And Nibali is no monster TT specialist himself.

Btw, Nibali did beat Mosquera by what margin? Now go and look up the Vuelta 09 before Gesink lost 4 minutes on the last mt stage, tell me how much Gesink was in front of Mosquera. Right, Mosq. wasn't even close to him. And Nibali had all trouble in the world with the same guy
 

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