Subpoenas issued -- Armstrong's goose is cooked

[buckwheat]

In corporate america it happens all the time. You live in and igloo in Alaska? Employees have lots of responsiblity; hence why they are paid. Either way, we'll hopefully see just what his responsibility is when the true non-speculative facts come out. Gonna be a fun ride...

Yes, it happens all the time when the corporate rats are trying to get off the sinking ship, or when the cockroaches scatter when the light is shown brightly on them.

More evasions. I love this stuff.

 

[goober]

"I think we had a firm commitment for three years," said Armstrong. "Based on my impression I think we were 90% there. We are walking away from that today. We are not comfortable managing and running a team right now. Johan is retiring on top of that, and I am going to go and focus on my foundation, so we are not your guys right now."

So when I go to McDonalds and ask the cashier that has been working their for 10 years how long they have been making the new Big n Tasty and she says "We have been making it for 5 years" I need to assume she is an owner in McDonalds. Hmmm.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Take a look at the new Washington Post article from the Landis links thread. Very much new and interesting information in there. The investigation into Michael Ball actually led to the Lance investigation. This has all been going on much longer than we thought.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

Take a look at the new Washington Post article from the Landis links thread. Very much new and interesting information in there. The investigation into Michael Ball actually led to the Lance investigation. This has all been going on much longer than we thought.

News outlets are finding plenty of meat on the story.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

So when I go to McDonalds and ask the cashier that has been working their for 10 years how long they have been making the new Big n Tasty and she says "We have been making it for 5 years" I need to assume she is an owner in McDonalds. Hmmm.

No - if you go to McDonalds and the person there says they 'have been making the Big n Tasty' for 5 years" .........
when they actually have been retired from McDonalds for 2 years then you need to call them a shrink.

(Unless of course they are actually working there )

 

[goober]

No - if you go to McDonalds and the person there says they 'have been making the Big n Tasty' for 5 years" .........
when they actually have been retired from McDonalds for 2 years then you need to call them a shrink.

(Unless of course they are actually working there )

Well that is true. I am hungry now...

 

[MacRoadie]

Take a look at the new Washington Post article from the Landis links thread. Very much new and interesting information in there. The investigation into Michael Ball actually led to the Lance investigation. This has all been going on much longer than we thought.

Wait, has Rupert Murdoch bought the Post as well?

 

[alberto.legstrong]

how's that comeback working out?

Lance, was it really worth the trouble?

 

[alberto.legstrong]

So when I go to McDonalds and ask the cashier that has been working their for 10 years how long they have been making the new Big n Tasty and she says "We have been making it for 5 years" I need to assume she is an owner in McDonalds. Hmmm.

What an apt analogy!

 

[Barrus]

Take a look at the new Washington Post article from the Landis links thread. Very much new and interesting information in there. The investigation into Michael Ball actually led to the Lance investigation. This has all been going on much longer than we thought.

There is however something in that article that srikes me as odd. The article states that FLandis has only been working with Novitsky since may, whereas most other articles and everything seem to indicate this was already the case before may, am I remembering things wrongly, or is the article flawed?

 

[alberto.legstrong]

There is however something in that article that srikes me as odd. The article states that FLandis has only been working with Novitsky since may, whereas most other articles and everything seem to indicate this was already the case before may, am I remembering things wrongly, or is the article flawed?

I took it as a flawed article. It's very much a rehash of the wsj article. The point to me is that this is 'on the radar' in news outlets and the volume is going to get turned up louder as more serious investigative journalists see that there is a story there. This was not much new. I thing frequency is what is going to make a difference, not anything new. The general public needs to get the message in 10 different versions before it starts to embed itself. They aren't junkies like us who flock to every new morsel.

 

[palmerq]

this new article says no cyclists have been subpoenaed(or whatever you say :S )... only for documents... which is a wee bit interesting.

 

[MacRoadie]

this new article says no cyclists have been subpoenaed(or whatever you say :S )... only for documents... which is a wee bit interesting.

Requests for production of documents, and subpoenas for the same, typically preceed witness testimony.

 

[Cobblestones]

this new article says no cyclists have been subpoenaed(or whatever you say :S )... only for documents... which is a wee bit interesting.

Doesn't mean they haven't spoken to any cyclists yet.

 

[kurtinsc]

Ok - but Tim Herman (LA's lawyer) said:

..... so if its not 2007, then its 2004.

And as I said... I don't know when things happened... I'm just saying anything that happened after the post office stopped sponsoring probably isn't going to be all that important to the case. And anything prior to his joining the team probably isnt' going to implicate him either.

I think the 6 year time frame from 1999-2004 is all that really matters with the fraud charges. And for the most part I'm betting it would be more focused from 2001-2004... when Lance had some umph as a multi-tour winner and was on the team for contract negotiations with the post office.

 

[stephens]

Well they might as well forget about the tax fraud angle then: there is a six year statute of limitations on tax fraud in the usa.

 

[Anonymous]

Well they might as well forget about the tax fraud angle then: there is a six year statute of limitations on tax fraud in the usa.

I could be mistaken, but I believe if RICO is used, that is no longer the case.

 

[Cobblestones]

I could be mistaken, but I believe if RICO is used, that is no longer the case.

That's what is said. RICO. Intended to fight organized crime.

 

[kurtinsc]

Are they really going to classify the US Postal behavior as racketeering?

I guess "drug trafficking" and "fraud" would be the possible activities to bring a case under RICO laws?

Does the most recent act qualifying for RICO have to be within the statute of limitations?

 

[Anonymous]

Are they really going to classify the US Postal behavior as racketeering?

I guess "drug trafficking" and "fraud" would be the possible activities to bring a case under RICO laws?

Does the most recent act qualifying for RICO have to be within the statute of limitations?

"Under RICO, a person who is a member of an enterprise that has committed any two of 35 crimes—27 federal crimes and 8 state crimes—within a 10-year period can be charged with racketeering. Those found guilty of racketeering can be fined up to $25,000 and sentenced to 20 years in prison per racketeering count. In addition, the racketeer must forfeit all ill-gotten gains and interest in any business gained through a pattern of "racketeering activity." RICO also permits a private individual harmed by the actions of such an enterprise to file a civil suit; if successful, the individual can collect treble damages."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act

Rarely do I reference Wiki, but in this case, from the superficial level of understanding any of us have regarding topic (and the fact that we are all speculating), it seems like a good source.

 

[Cobblestones]

Are they really going to classify the US Postal behavior as racketeering?

I guess "drug trafficking" and "fraud" would be the possible activities to bring a case under RICO laws?

Does the most recent act qualifying for RICO have to be within the statute of limitations?

We could be looking at fraud, theft, embezzlement, money laundering, obstruction of justice, drug trafficking or dealing with a controlled substance. Finally there's the alleged bribery of Hein.

Make two of them stick and it's RICO.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Lemond has been subpoenaed. Article in Links thread.
July 30 court appearance date for GL.
Things are moving quickly.

Question for our legal types -

According to the article, Lemond is ordered to produce documents related to the lawsuit with Trek. This new investigation will override any non-disclosure agreement from the Trek settlement, right? All the dirt Lemond knows but not have been able to share, can now come out in the investigation right?

 

[CycloErgoSum]

Lemond has been subpoenaed. Article in Links thread.
July 30 court appearance date for GL.
Things are moving quickly.

Question for our legal types -

According to the article, Lemond is ordered to produce documents related to the lawsuit with Trek. This new investigation will override any non-disclosure agreement from the Trek settlement, right? All the dirt Lemond knows but not have been able to share, can now come out in the investigation right?

Things are really moving now. Wow. Trek may be in some jeopardy here; also it may demonstrate that Armstrong really was in charge and not some mere employee if the documents show he influenced Trek to go after Lemond.

 

[Beech Mtn]

Things are really moving now. Wow. Trek may be in some jeopardy here; also it may demonstrate that Armstrong really was in charge and not some mere employee if the documents show he influenced Trek to go after Lemond.

That is a good point about this demonstrating the power LA held over Trek and the team. Very good point.

 

[Cobblestones]

From the article:

Among the documents that the subpoena orders LeMond to produce are any that are related to the four cycling teams Armstrong has led on the Tour de France since his comeback from cancer to victory in 1998: U.S. Postal Service, Discovery Channel, Astana, and Radio Shack.

Question: what kind of documents would LeMond have?