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memyselfandI

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Logic-is-your-friend said:
Did they do the bikechange in slow motion? There is no way a bikechange without a crash takes that much time. The GPS times were complete rubbish as proven by the GPS times that had Van Aert ahead and then suddenly had Ganna 12s ahead.
A bikechange, including slowing down, getting off, hopping on and get going... is roughly 10s . Then you can add some time to get up to top speed again and to get into your rhythm. But there is no way he lost more than 20s.
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Just looked this again, from racespeed to racespeed, rollout+bikechange+acceleration is +-25s.
 
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samhocking

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proffate said:
Did anyone actually manage to calculate the time tarling lost instead of just guesstimating?
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A slick well-rehearsed bike change like that is a known 15-20 seconds loss. We don't know how much additional time he lost riding with the puncture beforehand though or how much additional time got lost simply because of the psychological consequences knowing you're now 20 seconds slower and no longer the favourite. He said he didn't get back into the rhythm again so I assume although he got back the 20 seconds quite quickly with simply more effort, doing that obviously wasn't optimal for getting ontop of the gear again or negative splitting which I assume he was aiming to do.
 
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samhocking

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memyselfandI said:
Just looked this again, from racespeed to racespeed, rollout+bikechange+acceleration is +-25s.
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Boardman said in a TT, a rehearsed bike change is 15-20s. I would lean towards 20s because the officials are much more strict on the distance the team car is allowed to be to the riders so there's an additional wait for the car to make up that distance to the rider to then stop than we're used to seeing in World Tour races.
 
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memyselfandI

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samhocking said:
Boardman said in a TT, a rehearsed bike change is 15-20s. I would lean towards 20s because the officials are much more strict on the distance the team car is allowed to be to the riders so there's an additional wait for the car to make up that distance to the rider to then stop than we're used to seeing in World Tour races.
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No leaning required Sir, I watched it with time stamps, so +-25s. It's fair to say 12s when he crabbed the new bike, got on and accelerated to full speed. Clip doesn't show acceleration completely, but if you've tried standing sprint with big gear not trying to overdo legs because tt.. Also in stream can be seen rollout to zero and waiting for a bike 13s, where his speed is already quite down as clip starts. How long he did rollout/soft pedalling before that, meaning more time lost from clean speed?
 
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samhocking

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memyselfandI said:
No leaning required Sir, I watched it with time stamps, so +-25s. It's fair to say 12s when he crabbed the new bike, got on and accelerated to full speed. Clip doesn't show acceleration completely, but if you've tried standing sprint with big gear not trying to overdo legs because tt.. Also in stream can be seen rollout to zero and waiting for a bike 13s, where his speed is already quite down as clip starts. How long he did rollout/soft pedalling before that, meaning more time lost from clean speed?
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I'll go with Boardman on this as he was Technical director in British Cycling covering this very event for years and said that commentating watching Tarling change bikes. But 5s is neither here nor there, the bigger effect is phycological and nobody knows what time that might have been if at all.
 
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How else would you describe 5 circles, in blue, yellow, black, green and red? Surely not as a rainbow.
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I would definitely never describe a jersey which isn't affiliated with the Olympics as being an Olympic jersey. People should have understood by now, that not everything in cycling is meant to be taken literally. Paris-Roubaix doesn't start in Paris, Eddy Merckx is not an actual cannibal, neither is Vincenzo Nibali a shark, and the rainbow jersey doesn't look like a real rainbow.
 
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shadowrider

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AnotherArmChair said:
Tarling lost about 30 secs with the puncture and bike change ...pity for him

Would have possibly gold if he hadnt lost that time
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Only 30 seconds ? Sure it wasn't 30 minutes.... ?
He didn't crash, but punctured. So, he first lost a few seconds slowing down with the flat tyre. Unlike in a crash, his mec was prepared for the bike change. That costed 10 seconds, pushing included. Reaching topspeed, another 2 to 3 seconds extra timeloss. So, all together, 17 to 18 seconds. Enough to win silver, not enough to win gold. The last part of the race, after a timecheck of his team, Evenepoel knew he had 20 seconds on Ganna and Van Aert. More on Tarling. So, he slowed down, especially in the corners to avoid any risk. Evenepoel confirmed it after the race. No way Tarling could have come close to Evenepoel.
 
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shadowrider

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Squire said:
Needs slightly more than one WC for that. But you could be right, provided Tarling doesn't prove to be a significant obstacle.
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Evenepoel gives more and more signals he will reduce his TT in the future (So train less on a TT-bike and not keeping his ideal TT-weight for the worlds TT). He confirmed it once again after the race in one of the interviews. So, probably more preparing for GT's and keeping his weight more permanently low(er).
 
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shadowrider said:
Only 30 seconds ? Sure it wasn't 30 minutes.... ?
He didn't crash, but punctured. So, he first lost a few seconds slowing down with the flat tyre. Unlike in a crash, his mec was prepared for the bike change. That costed 10 seconds, pushing included. Reaching topspeed, another 2 to 3 seconds extra timeloss. So, all together, 17 to 18 seconds. Enough to win silver, not enough to win gold. The last part of the race, after a timecheck of his team, Evenepoel knew he had 20 seconds on Ganna and Van Aert. More on Tarling. So, he slowed down, especially in the corners to avoid any risk. Evenepoel confirmed it after the race. No way Tarling could have come close to Evenepoel.
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I guess we will never know.
 
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