I'm sure they're about as clean as Sky but they have the advantage of being a fresh face and not insulting the public with bogus PR. Yes, train races are boring but if there are two trains then at least there is some suspense.
And Dumoulin at least got some results as a young guy and is pretty enough to go on a magazine cover and not hurt sales.DanielSong39 said:I'm sure they're about as clean as Sky but they have the advantage of being a fresh face and not insulting the public with bogus PR. Yes, train races are boring but if there are two trains then at least there is some suspense.
Well, in fact they came to the scene telling everyone how different they were. And it made a sort of sense, going only for mass sprints, only to have some classic success a couple of years later.DanielSong39 said:I'm sure they're about as clean as Sky but they have the advantage of being a fresh face and not insulting the public with bogus PR. Yes, train races are boring but if there are two trains then at least there is some suspense.
Good post, makes totally sense.pastronef said:behind the Giant-Shimano (and previously Argos) Giant-Alpecin, Giant-Sunweb, Sunweb there must be a similar marketing and PR brain to Sky but they did it slower, from the Argos years, now since 3-4 years with the #creatingmemories hashtag and the 2 vertical lines on the jersey (while Sky has 1....) the "young team", the 2015 Dumo-Vuelta experiment, the likeable team...
it´s coming together. kudos to Spekenbrink and co. for working behind that. they planned for long time. just look at Dumo´s contract until 2021.
they saw Sky´s big mistakes and Sky´s methods and marginal gains and learned from them. they have everything to please the public. Geschke, Ten Dam (tweeting to digger today ffs) the young guns from Holland and Australia etc
that is going to be huge. Kelderman stepped up big time and well, Dumo winning in Oropa is an aperitif of what is coming next year. and today we had the confirmation.
the team that will try to defeat Sky (with their similar methods, because they saw Sky and slowly learned) is coming
Dumo in 2015 "Wiggins showed me what´s possible"
http://teamsunweb.com/auping-tech/
bring their own mattresses and train in South Africa
yes, and they will beat Sky. so they are welcomeCraigee said:I'm confused. So are they doping or not?
Cheers that's what I think too. Even more obvious to me than the two teams results is the way they don't peak in form or should I say stay at their peak. It's not right.pastronef said:yes, and they will beat Sky. so they are welcomeCraigee said:I'm confused. So are they doping or not?
oh cmon, ten dam? He wouldn't have a place on Sky's B team and he's on his way out. He's a competent road captain who disappeared long before the final climb on every stage of the giro. The only visible contribution from an outside observer's perspective was after shitgate and he still couldn't hang with his captain the way nieve, poels, kwia, geraint, ...Pennino said:For now, we can only hope they'll become as strong as Sky, with Kelderman, Oomen and Ten Dam in the mountains, and probably someone to replace Barguil.
Ten Dam could be still very decent if he can peak for the TDF the way he did before joining Sunweb. I mean really peaking, not entering a serious race and just preparing somewhere in the US. Curious if he could pull that off again.proffate said:oh cmon, ten dam? He wouldn't have a place on Sky's B team and he's on his way out. He's a competent road captain who disappeared long before the final climb on every stage of the giro. The only visible contribution from an outside observer's perspective was after shitgate and he still couldn't hang with his captain the way nieve, poels, kwia, geraint, ...Pennino said:For now, we can only hope they'll become as strong as Sky, with Kelderman, Oomen and Ten Dam in the mountains, and probably someone to replace Barguil.
Who was that, Søren Kragh, Hofstede and?Dekker_Tifosi said:It should be noted however that on the Angliru stage, they still had 3 man working for Kelderman at the first part of the climb. This is after Cobertoria and Cordal, and this was without Barguil and Oomen.
Kragh Andersen, Haga, Hamilton.Valv.Piti said:Who was that, Søren Kragh, Hofstede and?Dekker_Tifosi said:It should be noted however that on the Angliru stage, they still had 3 man working for Kelderman at the first part of the climb. This is after Cobertoria and Cordal, and this was without Barguil and Oomen.
What will this prove ? Matthews 2nd and 4th in the last two editions - Suited by the parcours so has an undeniable chance - Maybe you can set up a thread for every rider who wins a race !DanielSong39 said:Matthews to win the road race?
JV made similar claims about having to spend half a million dollars* a year with internal anti doping tests. He didn't like it being pointed out it could also be used to stop riders testing positive.Dekker_Tifosi said:Hmm, read something interesting in the Volkskrant today. There was a piece about Dumoulin and in the final part of that piece, it was about Sunweb's anti-doping stance.
They explained they have an anti-doping 'team' that controls their own riders, and lets rider know when they are being investigated. They also said that doesn't happen often but didn't deny it never happens.
This is kind of a double for me. To the press it's obviously meant as 'look how anti doping we are', but to me, it could also mean 'we are making sure they don't go to far'..
Of course it means that. And the whole world is buying it. Brilliant.Dekker_Tifosi said:Hmm, read something interesting in the Volkskrant today. There was a piece about Dumoulin and in the final part of that piece, it was about Sunweb's anti-doping stance.
They explained they have an anti-doping 'team' that controls their own riders, and lets rider know when they are being investigated. They also said that doesn't happen often but didn't deny it never happens.
This is kind of a double for me. To the press it's obviously meant as 'look how anti doping we are', but to me, it could also mean 'we are making sure they don't go to far'..
It's the logical approach. Doping or not, internal testing will help the team "manage" it.Dekker_Tifosi said:Hmm, read something interesting in the Volkskrant today. There was a piece about Dumoulin and in the final part of that piece, it was about Sunweb's anti-doping stance.
They explained they have an anti-doping 'team' that controls their own riders, and lets rider know when they are being investigated. They also said that doesn't happen often but didn't deny it never happens.
This is kind of a double for me. To the press it's obviously meant as 'look how anti doping we are', but to me, it could also mean 'we are making sure they don't go to far'..
One could argue, even CSC were more "transparent" than the super duper all time clean SKY lol.More importantly, Team CSC is making genuine efforts to change its team culture so that riders no longer feel the need or pressure to dope. The combination of CSC's strong antidoping programme with their equally strong culture of hard, clean riding is certainly an example for other pro teams to follow," said McQuaid.