Sweet! The UCI may be good for something afterall

[Kiara is a rational girl]

lmao

They just banned riders putting cans of coke in their back pockets!

Coke cans don't really have a neck and therefore cannot be counted as bottles. But this silly rule definitely has implications for the practice of a single cyclist distributing bottles to many of their team mates at once. I wonder if the UCI will turn a blind eye to it, or amend the rule, or actually make teams change their behavior. The latter could be kind of amusing - riders bouncing up and down the peloton to deliver water, or perhaps we'd see the introduction of quadruple bottle cages.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

what a pathetic rule. uci makes itself ridiclous again

 

[Cobblestoned]

That will make engineers happy, who spent several sleepless nights over those bottles.

 

[taiwan]

One could interpret the above to demand a bottle be on the bike.

Another pointless rule. Congratulations, the UCI just banned 1l bottles.

...They just banned riders putting cans of coke in their back pockets!

... But this silly rule definitely has implications for the practice of a single cyclist distributing bottles to many of their team mates at once...

Sorry to bang on about this, but looking again at the text, I think the only things they're outlawing are:

-Bottles mounted in more aero positions on the bike, such as on the bars or on the saddle (triathlon style).

-Bottles in extreme aerodynamic shapes like that on the Cervélo P4.

-Bottles integrated with the frame, as in Cervélo's P4.

... so basically no P4s and no tri stuff. Clearly they're not outlawing the carrying of bidons in jersey pockets or outlawing the non-carrying of bottles, and IMO they're not even outlawing all aero shaped bottles, just the more extreme ones.

 

[BroDeal]

Sorry to bang on about this, but looking again at the text, I think the only things they're outlawing are...

Exactly. They don't want pro cycling to go the way to triathlon so we have crap like straws with tear drop shaped sleeves sticking up to the riders' mouths.

Hopefully the UCI can do something about compression leggings before that idiocy takes hold in cycling.

 

[Master50]

Sorry to bang on about this, but looking again at the text, I think the only things they're outlawing are:

-Bottles mounted in more aero positions on the bike, such as on the bars or on the saddle (triathlon style).

-Bottles in extreme aerodynamic shapes like that on the Cervélo P4.

-Bottles integrated with the frame, as in Cervélo's P4.

... so basically no P4s and no tri stuff. Clearly they're not outlawing the carrying of bidons in jersey pockets or outlawing the non-carrying of bottles, and IMO they're not even outlawing all aero shaped bottles, just the more extreme ones.

Except for the part about minimum dimensions (not less than 4 cm) your last post is on target. If you put a bottle or water source on the bike it must be inside the main triangle. The bottles cannot integrate into the frame so as to influence the aero properties as the P4 does. I am not sure this rule addresses camel back but I will ask.

 

[Anonymous]

Exactly. They don't want pro cycling to go the way to triathlon so we have crap like straws with tear drop shaped sleeves sticking up to the riders' mouths.

Hopefully the UCI can do something about compression leggings before that idiocy takes hold in cycling.

All they have to do is regulate the height of the sock above the ankle. We don't want to look like female tennis players, so the sock must cover the entire protrusion of the ankle bone... but we don't want any unfair advantage of compression garments and we damn sure don't want socks approaching anywhere near the knee.

Maybe not less than 3cm above the center-line protrusion on the ankle bone but not more than 10cm. That should do it. And no black socks either.

 

[Master50]

All they have to do is regulate the height of the sock above the ankle. We don't want to look like female tennis players, so the sock must cover the entire protrusion of the ankle bone... but we don't want any unfair advantage of compression garments and we damn sure don't want socks approaching anywhere near the knee.

Maybe not less than 3cm above the center-line protrusion on the ankle bone but not more than 10cm. That should do it. And no black socks either.

Scott your concern is already addressed.

1.3.033 It is forbidden to wear non-essential items of clothing or items designed to influence the perfor- mances of a rider such as reducing air resistance or modifying the body of the rider (compression, stretching, support).
Items of clothing or equipment may be considered essential where weather conditions make them appropriate for the safety or the health of the rider. In this case, the nature and texture of the cloth- ing or equipment must be clearly and solely justified by the need to protect the rider from bad weather conditions. Discretion in this respect is left to the race commissaires.
Equipment (helmets, shoes, jerseys, shorts, etc.) worn by the rider may not be adapted to serve any other purpose apart from that of clothing or safety by the addition or incorporation of mechanical or electronic systems which are not approved as technical innovations under article 1.3.004.
(text modified on 1.01.02; 1.01.04; 1.04.07; 1.10.10

Seek the truth

 

[Anonymous]

Scott your concern is already addressed.

1.3.033 It is forbidden to wear non-essential items of clothing or items designed to influence the perfor- mances of a rider such as reducing air resistance or modifying the body of the rider (compression, stretching, support).
Items of clothing or equipment may be considered essential where weather conditions make them appropriate for the safety or the health of the rider. In this case, the nature and texture of the cloth- ing or equipment must be clearly and solely justified by the need to protect the rider from bad weather conditions. Discretion in this respect is left to the race commissaires.
Equipment (helmets, shoes, jerseys, shorts, etc.) worn by the rider may not be adapted to serve any other purpose apart from that of clothing or safety by the addition or incorporation of mechanical or electronic systems which are not approved as technical innovations under article 1.3.004.
(text modified on 1.01.02; 1.01.04; 1.04.07; 1.10.10

Seek the truth

I didn't see anything in there about black socks. It doesn't say anything about how high a sock can be either... therefore my concern is valid, justified and highly problematic.

 

[Parera]

Yeah, sure, but let's get back to talking sh*t on Cervelo.

Cuz **** those guys.

Yep. I wonder if the forthcoming P5 is going to be affected by this decision. And if it is, I'm going to laugh my *** off.

 

[benpounder]

Good change, now TT specialists will just refrain from bringing water and get seriously dehydrated as a result!

Riders do silly things all the time. Remember that ChickenLegs hated riding the final climbs with all that extra weight of water bottle.

 

[benpounder]

And bottles less than 400ml. So I'm guessing the UCI cops will be making sure everyone has a bottle on their rig.

I dont think so. The rule seems fairly clear to me that any and all water that a rider choses to carry must be in a bottle, or flask, not greater than 800ml nor less than 400ml in volume, attached to either the down tube or the seat tube, and inside the frame. I think this is where triathletes might be upset - No water bottle racks behind the saddle.

 

[BroDeal]

Riders do silly things all the time. Remember the ChickenLegs hated riding the final climbs with all that extra weight of water bottle.

Anquetil used to move his water bottle from his frame to a jersey pocket at the start of climbs. I tried it but it never really worked for me--something to do with physics or some other mumbo jumbo.

 

[benpounder]

I'm confused. Does that mean that this would or wouldn't be allowed?

I think the bottle would be allowed, but it's positioning will not.

More importantly, man what an ugly bike!

 

[Kiara is a rational girl]

Clearly they're not outlawing the carrying of bidons in jersey pockets

Article 1.3.024 states: “Bottles shall not be integrated to the frame and may only be located on the down and seat tubes on the inside of the frame.

It isn't stipulated that the rule concerns frames alone, so we have to assume it means what it says. That is, the only locations where it is permissible to carry a bottle are on the insides of the down and seat tubes.

 

[doolols]

I think the bottle would be allowed, but it's positioning will not.

Looks like a milk bottle to me.

More importantly, man what an ugly bike!

I used to love Bianchi. That is hideous.

 

[taiwan]

Article 1.3.024 states: “Bottles shall not be integrated to the frame and may only be located on the down and seat tubes on the inside of the frame.

It isn't stipulated that the rule concerns frames alone, so we have to assume it means what it says. That is, the only locations where it is permissible to carry a bottle are on the insides of the down and seat tubes.

All I will say is that if riders stop carrying bottles in their jerseys as a result of this ruling, I'll swallow an illegally dimensioned aero bottle whole.

 

[Fus087]

I think the most probable thing is that the UCI made the rule to ban various bottle cage designs (already showed previously), but - as usual - "forgot" to think about what their new rule might imply with regards to watercarriers.
After all, it's the UCI.

 

[Master50]

I didn't see anything in there about black socks. It doesn't say anything about how high a sock can be either... therefore my concern is valid, justified and highly problematic.

Sorry I missed the black sox part. That horse is out of the barn and won't be coming home. As soon as the old white socks only rule was rescinded the colour of socks are free.
As for compression socks I just DQ'd a guy for it this summer. We know em when we see em. Pretty much refuse anything on the legs below the thigh and the upper attachment of the Achilles. Lance's socks are about as him as we tolerate

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

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[BroDeal]

As for compression socks I just DQ'd a guy for it this summer. We know em when we see em.

You are my hero. Every time I do a tri, I feel like I am at a dork convention. Please don'y allow cycling to go that way.

 

[gregod]

Sorry I missed the black sox part. That horse is out of the barn and won't be coming home. As soon as the old white socks only rule was rescinded the colour of socks are free.
As for compression socks I just DQ'd a guy for it this summer. We know em when we see em. Pretty much refuse anything on the legs below the thigh and the upper attachment of the Achilles. Lance's socks are about as him as we tolerate

i understand that they are technically against the rules, but i don't see the point of DQing the guy. do they really provide any advantage? if i were riding against somebody wearing that stuff it would probably give me incentive to finish in front of the him because nobody wants to be beaten by somebody who looks like a dork.

 

[gregod]

You are my hero. Every time I do a tri, I feel like I am at a dork convention. Please don'y allow cycling to go that way.

somebody up thread mentioned all of the hating on tri folks, i think the pride with which some tri people do this...

... says it all. believe me, this is not the only picture of triathletes looking like this.

 

[BroDeal]

somebody up thread mentioned all of the hating on tri folks, i think the pride with which some tri people do this...

You can do the occasional tri and still hate triathletes. In fact you become more aware of how hateworthy they are.

 

[Master50]

i understand that they are technically against the rules, but i don't see the point of DQing the guy. do they really provide any advantage? if i were riding against somebody wearing that stuff it would probably give me incentive to finish in front of the him because nobody wants to be beaten by somebody who looks like a dork.

I suppose in truth I might have told him to just push his socks down if I caught it in the first couple of km. The penalty is prescribed as are many clothing and equipment infractions

That might be an image of Cycling kind of rule but it isn't my job to debate the rule book with athletes. It is my job to enforce them. How do you want referees to work? Appeal and debate?

I think the rules of cycling are also related to the DORK thing. The sport has a cultured image and a lot of rules are written with the mage of cycling in mind. Helmet rules for pros were delayed over debates on the image of the sport. So the Dorkiness of its athletes is regulated and some stuff is just not cool.

For the Billy Crystal fans Nando's rule: "It not how you feel it is how you look".