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gooner said:
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gooner said:
I have been following the worlds all week. Among all the rubbish and bad news today, it's good to see someone like this win two golds so far and still going for more.

http://www.swimvortex.com/lilly-king-celebrates-the-light-dark-of-mclaren-reports-with-finger-wagging-104/


Lilly King?!? Is this a joke??

Nope, but you could explain the joke.


The chances of Lilly King being clean are slim to none. Once you got to a certain level of pro sport, the inevitability of doping is quite great.

It digusts me how so many of these athletes especially from USA and UK act just so holier than thou.
 
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BullsFan22 said:
gooner said:
BullsFan22 said:
gooner said:
I have been following the worlds all week. Among all the rubbish and bad news today, it's good to see someone like this win two golds so far and still going for more.

http://www.swimvortex.com/lilly-king-celebrates-the-light-dark-of-mclaren-reports-with-finger-wagging-104/


Lilly King?!? Is this a joke??

Nope, but you could explain the joke.


The chances of Lilly King being clean are slim to none. Once you got to a certain level of pro sport, the inevitability of doping is quite great.

That's just a statement of faith. It offers nothing of substance.

It doesn't mean it's a joke to welcome King's views.
 
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It digusts me how so many of these athletes especially from USA and UK act just so holier than thou.

Which is why she has said Gatlin and Gay shouldn't be on the US team for the Olympics.
 
gooner said:
BullsFan22 said:
gooner said:
BullsFan22 said:
gooner said:
I have been following the worlds all week. Among all the rubbish and bad news today, it's good to see someone like this win two golds so far and still going for more.

http://www.swimvortex.com/lilly-king-celebrates-the-light-dark-of-mclaren-reports-with-finger-wagging-104/


Lilly King?!? Is this a joke??

Nope, but you could explain the joke.


The chances of Lilly King being clean are slim to none. Once you got to a certain level of pro sport, the inevitability of doping is quite great.

That's just a statement of faith. It offers nothing of substance.

It doesn't mean it's a joke to welcome King's views.

King can say whatever she wants and you and I can welcome any or all or none of what she says. We can also criticize it. The endless negative portrayal of Russia in the United States (I can't speak for the UK, as I don't think I follow enough as much as a Brit would) be it politics, sport, lifestyle, whatever has had quite an effect on the public, and these athletes are no different. It was endless in the lead-up to Sochi, it was quite nauseating during Sochi (Bob Costas and the opening ceremony was just bizarre to me) and I think it's ratcheted up a couple notches since then. Anything that a Russian does that's made public in the mainstream media in the US is bad. It's a lose-lose situation. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Nobody's denying that there are issues with doping in Russia. My biggest issue with it is the fact that it's politicized so much in the US and Germany for example (I've spent time in Germany as well during the past few years). The Russians are singled out and made a scapegoat. Think of Ben Johnson 1988 Seoul on a country scale. 6 of the finalists in that 100m race that Johnson won were at one point or another implicated in doping scandals. Carl Lewis (the Lilly King of Seoul) had a number of positive tests during the Summer of 1988 annulled by the American authorities (sound familiar?). And what happened? Johnson was scapegoated, his medal taken away, and given to Lewis, who failed numerous doping tests and who continuously called/calls Johnson out.

These are the links that clearly show that the US can hardly call Russia's tampering unprecedented because they themselves did pretty much the same in the not too distant past:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/exum-claims-large-scale-cover-up-of-doping-positives/

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/17/sports/olympics-anti-doping-official-says-us-covered-up.html

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/24/athletics.duncanmackay

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/stories/s155405.htm

http://www.playthegame.org/news/news-articles/2003/q-a-with-dr-wade-exum/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/2400198/Athletics-Now-drink-tarnishes-Lewis-legend.html

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/04/17/1050172707806.html


I don't see anything different between Russia and the US in terms of tampering and/or letting dopers off the hook, do you?

Why then, was the US allowed to host the 1996 Olympics, the 2002 Olympics, and a plethora of other international events? The entire Russian T&F team (except Klishina) was banned from Rio. Why wasn't the entire US T&F banned from any international events until they could show they were competing clean and that the authorities weren't covering up doping tests?
 
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@BullsFan22,

King didn't scapegoat Efimova because she was Russian. Of course King will say something about Efimova as she is a direct rival. As I said already, she included Gatlin, Gay and others that shouldn't be on the US team. Meillutyte also had a running feud with Efimova.

I take your word about the US sports media, yet King is not accountable for that. It's separate and I don't think she politicized it with Efimova.

The damned if you do, damned if you don't applies to athletes speaking out too and it's something I see regularly.

That Carl Lewis calls out people with a cloud over himself, doesn't mean the same applies to King. Nothing suggests that.
 
veganrob said:
BullsFan22 said:
gooner said:
BullsFan22 said:
gooner said:
I have been following the worlds all week. Among all the rubbish and bad news today, it's good to see someone like this win two golds so far and still going for more.

http://www.swimvortex.com/lilly-king-celebrates-the-light-dark-of-mclaren-reports-with-finger-wagging-104/


Lilly King?!? Is this a joke??

Nope, but you could explain the joke.


The chances of Lilly King being clean are slim to none. Once you got to a certain level of pro sport, the inevitability of doping is quite great.

It digusts me how so many of these athletes especially from USA and UK act just so holier than thou.


Exactly what it is. Holier than thou. Not only are there double standards, but the fans are just as bad though. They feed off of that attitude and it's disgusting. They rip on the Russians on Sunday mornings, then they turn on their tele in the afternoon/evening and watch the steroid pumped NFL players knock each other down for four quarters.
 
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Exactly what it is. Holier than thou. Not only are there double standards, but the fans are just as bad though. They feed off of that attitude and it's disgusting. They rip on the Russians on Sunday mornings, then they turn on their tele in the afternoon/evening and watch the steroid pumped NFL players knock each other down for four quarters.

Where is the double standards with King when she has mentioned US athletes too.
 
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hello guys! I am new here and I wanna tell you one story. My friend is the famous para swimmer in Europe. He is invalid after Chernobyl accident in 80s. Then he was just a child and very young. His father died after the dose of radiating and Mom is very sick now. They live in Russia not far from Moscow. Why I tell it? I mean when people want to live they do everything for it. Not long time ago I visited him and we also went to the Prypyat for getting excursion .He even has shown me his house. It's really terrible. But the the trip was breathtaking. I even rethink the goals in my life.
 
https://www.c-span.org/video/?424620-1/michael-phelps-testifies-doping-international-sports
International Anti-Doping Efforts Olympic gold medal-winning swimmer Michael Phelps is among the witnesses at a House Energy and Commerce Committee hearing on international anti-doping efforts in sports.
Airing LIVE Tuesday, Feb 28 10:15am EST (16.15 CET) on C-SPAN3

https://energycommerce.house.gov/he...d-strengthen-international-anti-doping-system
Witnesses, Dr. Richard Budgett, Rob Koehler, Adam Nelson, Michael Phelps and Travis Tygart.
 
Michael Phelps: 'I've never competed in a clean field'

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11810278

"For us, sometimes it's annoying when we get woken up at 6 o'clock in the morning but, you know what, I'll do that to make sure that we're all competing at a fair level," Phelps said after the hearing. "I wish I could say that about everybody else in the world."

Tygart called that "unacceptable" and said it's a result of what happens when sports are allowed to police themselves.
 
Rival to Michael Phelps: You're not a cheat but...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11811085

"Doping has been a problem and it's only getting worse. I, too, don't know what to tell my son, nor would I wish that my son ever be half as good as I was knowing what he'll face tomorrow," Cavic wrote in an open letter posted on his Twitter account.

"I could recall Lance Armstrong getting tested 3x in one day, and never failed once, but that's not the problem. At the moment, we're not able to detect new drugs and advanced methods of doping. Why you're seeking reform now that you're retired, and never before supported blood passports, is beyond all of us, perhaps even convenient.

I'm not suggesting you're a cheat, you've gradually improved your times throughout your career, but your recovery rate is nothing short of science fiction....We all just wish we could understand it. Anyway, I really do hop that you'll sticks with this because in case our sons go pro some day, I;d like to think you made a difference. #nevertoolate"
 
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yaco said:
I love Phelps and he may even be clean - But loses credibility when he states he's never swam in a drug free race ( so far so good ) but then states he knows all USA swimmers are drug free.

hahahha. i luv when athletes open their mouth.
 
Here is Cavic's tweet that shows the entire message to Phelps.

https://twitter.com/Milorad_Cavic/status/837326110853562368

Once I finished reading it, I quickly went to see the replies, and not surprisingly some very triggered Phelps/USA fans on there, calling Cavic "bitter" and "sore loser..." I don't need to rehash everything that was written, but you can all imagine. Was never a fan of the guy, though I was cheering for him to beat Phelps in Beijing and stick it to the US media, but he didn't quite manage it.
 
Adam Peaty breaks his own world record twice in one day (including being the only person ever to go sub 26s for 50M) and is on track to break 57 seconds for 100M breast stroke soon.

Thank heavens they got rid of those super suits that gave such a huge performance advantage.
It would be like watching motorised bikes zipping up alpine climbs.
 
Katie Ledecky- absolutely crazy performances yet again. Not even worth running the races she just freaking annihilates the field without even looking remotely tired afterwards. One of the most suspicious athletes currently competing in any sport.
 
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Katie Ledecky- absolutely crazy performances yet again. Not even worth running the races she just freaking annihilates the field without even looking remotely tired afterwards. One of the most suspicious athletes currently competing in any sport.
She maybe doping and her performances might be suspicious but there's no denying the immense talent she has.

At the age of 15, she won the 800 m Gold at the Beijing Olympics. Not only that but she has annihilated record after record since High School. She will most probably become the most decorated female olympian in the history of Olympic Sport.
 

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