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VayaVayaVaya

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Froome said:
Pogacar was also climbing his best performances ever in the Tour 2023.
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Yeah it’s hard to fathom the jump in performances tho between 2023 and 2024. Looking at Watts2Win, top 2020-2024 performances were getting better, but incrementally.
  • 2020: Roglic top performer with average score of 81
  • 2021: Pogi top with average score of 83
  • 2022: Remco top with average score of 83
  • 2023: Vingegaard top with average score of 85
  • 2024: Pogi top with average score of 98
In terms of top performances:
  • 2020: top 89, fifth 83
  • 2021: top 89, fifth 87
  • 2022: top 88, fifth 85
  • 2023: top 90, fifth 85
  • 2024: top 111, fifth 94
 
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Pogi inspires the spectator. The way he drives. The way he attacks. And although he almost always wins, he is still likeable.
But if he will win Paris-Roubaix the first time he starts there, there would be almost nothing left that he hasn't already won.
It would be good for cycling if he didn't make it yet. So that he comes back. His team certainly doesn't like him riding because of the risk of injury and doesn't want him to do it every year. It could also keep Pogi's motivation high if he continues to have open goals.
 
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Cookster15 said:
As has now been pointed out ad nauseam, in the 2024 Tour data shows Vingegaard climbed the best we have ever seen him at PdB at the start of the 3rd week. So better than he climbed at Granon in the 2022 Tour and better than on Loze in the 2023 Tour. In the final Nice TT he still came second after three weeks of racing and even beat Remco. Not bad for bad prep?

You can mount an argument bad prep started costing Vingegaard on the last three stages. But with normal prep I don't see him closing the enormous gap - he would still be below Pogacar's new level in GTs. It means with good prep Vingegaard would still have lost the Tour by maybe 3 minutes instead of 6.
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I believe that in both cases, the limited preparation was dedicated to achieving peak performance, but they failed to develop endurance. With optimal preparation, they would have achieved similar power data, but without any drop in performance over the 21 days.
 
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Links2003 said:
Pogi inspires the spectator. The way he drives. The way he attacks. And although he almost always wins, he is still likeable.
But if he will win Paris-Roubaix the first time he starts there, there would be almost nothing left that he hasn't already won.
It would be good for cycling if he didn't make it yet. So that he comes back. His team certainly doesn't like him riding because of the risk of injury and doesn't want him to do it every year. It could also keep Pogi's motivation high if he continues to have open goals.
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Pogi is a showman!
 
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VayaVayaVaya said:
Yeah it’s hard to fathom the jump in performances tho between 2023 and 2024. Looking at Watts2Win, top 2020-2024 performances were getting better, but incrementally.
  • 2020: Roglic top performer with average score of 81
  • 2021: Pogi top with average score of 83
  • 2022: Remco top with average score of 83
  • 2023: Vingegaard top with average score of 85
  • 2024: Pogi top with average score of 98
In terms of top performances:
  • 2020: top 89, fifth 83
  • 2021: top 89, fifth 87
  • 2022: top 88, fifth 85
  • 2023: top 90, fifth 85
  • 2024: top 111, fifth 94
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What does that mean?
 
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Froome said:
What about MSR? Probably more hard for him.
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No, in msr his only problem is vdp and it only needs for vdp to either not participate in the race or be out of position on cipressa but here in roubaix there are also pedersen,wva,ganna, philipsen... Its really difficult to get away from this guys in a pure power test instead of a watts/kilo test + there is a weight factor in roubaix which favours the bigger guys when it comes to riding comfortably on high speeds on cobbles + this is his first participation in the race.
 
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yaf2 said:
No, in msr his only problem is vdp and it only needs for vdp to either not participate in the race or be out of position on cipressa but here in roubaix there are also pedersen,wva,ganna, philipsen... Its really difficult to get away from this guys in a pure power test instead of a watts/kilo test + there is a weight factor in roubaix which favours the bigger guys when it comes to riding comfortably on high speeds on cobbles + this is his first participation in the race.
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Yup, he knows the recipe to win MSR right now. PR is still a question mark.
 
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Salvarani said:
Will be hard but just seeing him be competitive would mean a lot for the future!

Dont know what to expect today.
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I think this should be his first race where he should play smart ofc there are different factors that play in this race but if uae are lucky to have 3 riders in a 15 man group after arenberg and if alpecine is only left with vdp & philipsen then pog is in a great situation as vdp is now the one who should be the aggressive and that helps pog and if somehow he is in the front in a 3 or 4 man group after final sector of cobbles he shouldn't work with them
 
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