Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Salvarani]

It really is.
On this route he can cruise to win it without him.

It is not.

It is about what he has raced in the season and the grueling prep he as has done for each race as well.

After Tour he needs and should take a break.

Going to Vuelta would just be dumb. It wouldnt be a walk in the park and he could suffer in the long run from attempting it, after the schedule he has chosen and done.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It really is.
On this route he can cruise to win it without him.

Yup. Even if Pogacar shows a similar gap to Vingegaard like he showed last year, Vuelta will be easy as a recovery ride.

 

[Salvarani]

Yup. Even if Pogacar shows a similar gap to Vingegaard like he showed last year, Vuelta will be easy as a recovery ride.

It is incredibly naive to believe and say this.

 

[Rou]

For a long time, I stopped listening to what riders say about their shape. Remco said he wouldn't be competitive in Ardennes and now he is probably in his best shape ever (or close to. I will see more in LBL and Romandie).
He skipped ORR because of Zigart, I'm sure of that.

You are correct. Riders often exaggerate to be politically correct or more humble.
I read somewhere that Remco was fit to compete even for Itzulia this year and could have probably won it but chose to keep on training to be at his maximum for Liege. He likes to downplay his chances but I am sure he is fully ready to test Pogacar.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It incredibly naive to believe and say this.

Vuelta has a lot of easy mountain stages and the last week is a joke. It seems like Pogacar is spanish and the organization helped him like they did in 2009 with Valverde.

 

[Salvarani]

Vuelta has a lot of easy mountain stages and the last week is a joke. It seems like Pogacar is spanish snd the organization helped him like they did in 2009 with Valverde.

Just no words is probably best at this point.

 

[YavorD]

It is not.

It is about what he has raced in the season and the grueling prep he as has done for each race as well.

After Tour he needs and should take a break.

Going to Vuelta would just be dumb. It wouldnt be a walk in the park and he could suffer in the long run from attempting it, after the schedule he has chosen and done.

But he is likely to do the same schedule for the years to come.
So by that logic he shouldn't do the Vuelta or what?
He isn't skipping the Tour.
He'll be doing classics in the years to come as well.
So sooner or later he has to go to the Vuelta if he wants to win it. And if Vingegaard is not in great condition, this is as good opportunity as any, especially if they move the WC to Switzerland.

 

[Salvarani]

But he is likely to do the same schedule for the years to come.
So by that logic he shouldn't do the Vuelta or what?
He isn't skipping the Tour.
He'll be doing classics in the years to come as well.
So sooner or later he has to go to the Vuelta if he wants to win it. And if Vingegaard is not in great condition, this is as good opportunity as any, especially if they move the WC to Switzerland.

1: MSR, Ronde, PR, LBL, Tour, WC and Lombardia. (this season and potentially again in the future)

2: MSR, LBL, Giro, Tour, WC and Lombardia. (last season and potentially again in the future)

3. MSR, LBL, Giro, Vuelta, WC and Lombardia. (potentially in the future)

4. MSR, LBL, Tour, Vuelta, WC and Lombardia. (potentially in the future)

 

[Peyroteo94]

You are correct. Riders often exaggerate to be politically correct or more humble.
I read somewhere that Remco was fit to compete even for Itzulia this year and could have probably won it but chose to keep on training to be at his maximum for Liege. He likes to downplay his chances but I am sure he is fully ready to test Pogacar.

Yup, the way he beat WVA (he is a little bit washed but still a top5 classics rider in the world) in a cobbled classic with 160 km... he is in stellar shape and probably will be even better in 250 km races.

 

[Salvarani]

Yup, the way he beat WVA (he is a little bit washed but still a top5 classics rider in the world) in a cobbled classic with 160 km... he is in stellar shape and probably will be even better in 250 km races.

Facing a great MVDP in the cobbles, facing a great Remco in Ardennes and facing Vinge in Tour... is just adding more to what I am saying... that he should not do two GTs this season.

Take a break after Tour. He will have done enough, whether he wins or not!

Going for the Vuelta also would be one of the dumbest decisions.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Just no words is probably best at this point.

Yup, we will never agree.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Facing a great MVDP in the cobbles, facing a great Remco in Ardennes and facing Vinge in Tour... is just adding more to what I am saying... that he should not do two GTs this season.

Take a break after Tour. He will have done enough, whether he wins or not!

Going for the Vuelta also would be one of the dumbest decisions.

Like I said a lot will be determined by Vingegaard's level. If it is a close battle in July, there will not be any Vuelta.

 

[Rasto]

if he hasnt good recovery he would not ride every week 260km big hard race classics kids

 

[Peyroteo94]

But he is likely to do the same schedule for the years to come.
So by that logic he shouldn't do the Vuelta or what?
He isn't skipping the Tour.
He'll be doing classics in the years to come as well.
So sooner or later he has to go to the Vuelta if he wants to win it. And if Vingegaard is not in great condition, this is as good opportunity as any, especially if they move the WC to Switzerland.

This. Try to win the Vuelta sooner than later in order to focus on his favorite schedule. Tour+monuments+WC

 

[YavorD]

1: MSR, Ronde, PR, LBL, Tour, WC and Lombardia. (this season and potentially again in the future)

2: MSR, LBL, Giro, Tour, WC and Lombardia. (last season and potentially again in the future)

3. MSR, LBL, Giro, Vuelta, WC and Lombardia. (potentially in the future)

4. MSR, LBL, Tour, Vuelta, WC and Lombardia. (potentially in the future)

You can write-off 3 and 4 unless he wins PR.

So for you he shouldn't go to the Vuelta in the next 3-4 years and risk not to win it?

 

[Salvarani]

Like I said a lot will be determined by Vingegaard's level. If it is a close battle in July, there will not be any Vuelta.

It doesnt solely revolve around that, but just adds more to what I am saying.

 

[Extinction]

For a long time, I stopped listening to what riders say about their shape. Remco said he wouldn't be competitive in Ardennes and now he is probably in his best shape ever (or close to. I will see more in LBL and Romandie).
He skipped ORR because of Zigart, I'm sure of that.

It's a known that cyclists say I've not been training, for them to then go out and push mega watts. There are no miracles. It's a strategy to show how strong they are, only to have secretly busted their arse to be in form. Is it dissimulation? Hipocrisy? Insecurity? Childishness? How insecure are most athletes. Or a fundamental flaw of competitive souls? The funny thing is that if you have a decent motor, why the insincerity? Take the blows, then get in shape and show them what you are made of.

 

[Salvarani]

You can write-off 3 and 4 unless he wins PR.

So for you he shouldn't go to the Vuelta in the next 3-4 years and risk not to win it?

No, I think Pog will be most open to choose alternative 1 or 4 for the next couple of years.

 

[Froome]

yes he did,but mainly hills and no vdp on his terrain.beating chumps in strade is not the same as fighting vdp in pr or flanders.pog said pr was 1 of hardest races he ever did.you should know the best about this.jonas is posterchild for this method.

But if we live in a professional era where riders are more professionalized unlike in the past, how can that be? If he is just beating chumps, then it's not like that.

 

[Peyroteo94]

You can write-off 3 and 4 unless he wins PR.

So for you he shouldn't go to the Vuelta in the next 3-4 years and risk not to win it?

What I have been saying.

 

[Salvarani]

What I have been saying.

And missing the point

 

[YavorD]

No, I think Pog will be most open to choose alternative 1 or 4 for the next couple of years.

He isn't choosing 4 unless he wins Roubaix.
So, according to you, he isn't doing the Vuelta in the near future then. Okay.

 

[Peyroteo94]

It's a known that cyclists say I've not been training, for them to then go out and push mega watts. There are no miracles. It's a strategy to show how strong they are, only to have secretly busted their arse to be in form. Is it disimulation? Hipocrisy? Insecurity? Childishness? How insecure are most athletes. Or a fundamental flaw of competitive souls? The funny thing is that if you have a decent motor, why the incinserity? Take the blows, then get in shape and show them what you are made of.

I think Remco was underrating his level because he doesn't know how his level can be compared to Pogacar. I'm almost sure, without Pogacar, Remco would say he would race to win LBL. What he did yesterday just shows how good he is and he knows it (the way he got to the front of WVA before the sprint/final km). He just doesn't know how strong he is compared to Pogacar.

 

[Salvarani]

He isn't choosing 4 unless he wins Roubaix.
So, according to you, he isn't doing the Vuelta in the near future then. Okay.

That is not according to me. I don’t know what Pog will choose in the future.

I can only say what I believe are his best alternatives to target as many of the biggest races as possible and where he has the best chance to win them. Without risking too much in one year that can affect the future.

 

[BubbaChuck]

training is king,tahts the name of modern sports.training.no surprise with remco.he already did altitude,he should be in beats form.if not,than he would be in trouble.this is not plumbers era anymore.lol.