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Peyroteo94

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His priority this season is to not give up his rainbows, he is not doing the Vuelta.

He seemed really tired after PR so I would not be surprised if after Amsel Gold, he skips Wednesday and then destroys everyone at LBL.
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And imagine if he wins the WCRR again, will he not try to win the WCRR in Montreal next year? He will always target the WC until 2028.
 
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Not just because of the accident; there are riders who have had a very short-lived or prime in cycling.
There are riders who, even without injuries or accidents, have had a prime for two or three years, and others affected by accidents, either physically or mentally.

Before 2022, Vingegaard had a good 2021, but far from being a monster like he was in the 2022 and 2023 TDF. In 2021 Pogacar sentences the TDF in stage 8

Laporte hasn't had any accidents, but he started getting sick in 2023. In 2021, he was a good rider but no favorite, in 2022 he became a favorite in the big classics, and in 2024 he was no longer a candidate and wasn't even competing in them. Sudden changes in three years.

When you debate these things, you realize the stupidity of giving a GT to a domestique. OMG, you can't just give a GT. In sports, you never know what the immediate future holds, especially in a sport like cycling, where there are so many accidents.

They criticize Pogacar for Cannibal, as f this weren't a sport where tomorrow he could get hit by a truck while training, and if he doesn't die, he might have to retire.

Vingegaard is still at a good age. Although he'll turn 30 next year, and is older than its direct rival in GT, he shouldn't be out of competition for so long and waste his moment so much.
The TDF is his biggest goal, but, he'll be competing less than a 36 Roglic.
Since he's not doing Ardennes, he should go to Romandy.
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You're not wrong, I'm just leaning more on the effects of near death crashes. Froome was never the same, Bernal was never the same. Although Vingegaard's crash wasn't as terrible as the former, it was still bad enough to shave off some of his ability. It seems Vingegaard has stagnated when you watch him race. On the other side Pogacar is ascending to new heights.
 
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You're not wrong, I'm just leaning more on the effects of near death crashes. Froome was never the same, Bernal was never the same. Although Vingegaard's crash wasn't as terrible as the former, it was still bad enough to shave off some of his ability. It seems Vingegaard has stagnated when you watch him race and on the other side Pogacar is ascending to new heights.
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"It seems Vingegaard has stagnated when you watch him race"

Race what? I know some people here think his trainer is lying, when he said they where coming into the season undercooked, to focus on the later races. But still, the amount of information people think they can get from him winning one race and DNF'ing another is crazy too me.

In my opinion we have no real information as to the power balance between Jonas recoverd from the crash and Pogacar after UAE took him to the the lab and replaced his blood with pickle juice, after the Combloux beat down. (Joking ofc no clinic intended)
 
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You're not wrong, I'm just leaning more on the effects of near death crashes. Froome was never the same, Bernal was never the same. Although Vingegaard's crash wasn't as terrible as the former, it was still bad enough to shave off some of his ability. It seems Vingegaard has stagnated when you watch him race. On the other side Pogacar is ascending to new heights.
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We can't assess if Vingegaard is really worse after his crash, at least physically. I'm still very confident that he can reach a new level in order to beat Pogacar. His only problem is how afraid he seems in the bunch.
 
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"It seems Vingegaard has stagnated when you watch him race"

Race what? I know some people here think his trainer is lying, when he said they where coming into the season undercooked, to focus on the later races. But still, the amount of information people think they can get from him winning one race and DNF'ing another is crazy too me.

In my opinion we have no real information as to the power balance between Jonas recoverd from the crash and Pogacar after UAE took him to the the lab and replaced his blood with pickle juice, after the Combloux beat down.
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You know it is not just the PN performance. In Algarve he was underwhelming too. Like I said in the post above, I'm still confident Vingegaard can reach his best level again (able to beat Pogacar) but I think we can all agree Vingegaard's base level always was more than enough to beat everyone bar Pogacar. The gap between his ceilling and others is just massive.
In 2023, he just lost to Gaudu because he was too close to the sun, trying to follow Pogacar. There is no person who can convince me, Vingegaard being this bad was planned. However, it is hard to draw any conclusions before the Dauphiné's duel against Pogi.
 
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You know it is not just the PN performance. In Algarve he was underwhelming too. Like I said in the post above, I'm still confident Vingegaard can reach his best level again (able to beat Pogacar) but I think we can all agree Vingegaard's base level always was more than enough to beat everyone bar Pogacar. The gap between his ceilling and others is just massive.
In 2023, he just lost to Gaudu because he was too close to the sun, trying to follow Pogacar. There is no person who can convince me, Vingegaard being this bad was planned. However, it is hard to draw any conclusions before the Dauphiné's duel against Pogi.
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Im not convinced he wasn't going to win PN same as Algarve without the crash. That's still beating the others, even coming in worse shape the normally.
 
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kn0s said:
"It seems Vingegaard has stagnated when you watch him race"

Race what? I know some people here think his trainer is lying, when he said they where coming into the season undercooked, to focus on the later races. But still, the amount of information people think they can get from him winning one race and DNF'ing another is crazy too me.

In my opinion we have no real information as to the power balance between Jonas recoverd from the crash and Pogacar after UAE took him to the the lab and replaced his blood with pickle juice, after the Combloux beat down. (Joking ofc no clinic intended)
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Peyroteo94 said:
We can't assess if Vingegaard is really worse after his crash, at least physically. I'm still very confident that he can reach a new level in order to beat Pogacar. His only problem is how afraid he seems in the bunch.
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I'm talking about the Itzulia 2024 crash, not P-N 2025. Keyword: near death crash. Good morning.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
And imagine if he wins the WCRR again, will he not try to win the WCRR in Montreal nedt year? He will always target the WC until 2028.
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He needs to win Vuelta right now, he cannot postpone it year after year, we don't know the future. Win while you can. And he can win this year, the route suits him, he needs to go and complete the GTs.
 
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