Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Krzysztof_O]

I think Visma will just go for the typical isolate Pog and roll attacks on him. It basically always works because he is almost always isolated early. Even yesterday he was isolated and they tried to roll him but he didn't respond to Jorgenson. Not sure if he will be able to get away with that in the tour.

He only has to follow Vingegaard's wheel at the Tour and use Almeida & co when their horsepower is needed.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I think Visma will just go for the typical isolate Pog and roll attacks on him. It basically always works because he is almost always isolated early. Even yesterday he was isolated and they tried to roll him but he didn't respond to Jorgenson. Not sure if he will be able to get away with that in the tour.

Yesterday there was neither Yates nor Almeida though. I don't think it's impossible that it will go the other way around and Vingegaard ends up isolated on a climb more often than he likes. Noone knows if Kuss is Kuss again, and Jorgenson alone probably won't be dropping Almeida, and if things go well, also not Yates.

 

[Red Rick]

In the TdF a lot will simply depend on on the ITT, and MTT, Hautacam and Ventoux.

With the strength of the teams, there should be no reason to believe any duo strategy or domestique in break shenanigans should work.

 

[YavorD]

Yesterday there was neither Yates nor Almeida though. I don't think it's impossible that it will go the other way around and Vingegaard ends up isolated on a climb more often than he likes. Noone knows if Kuss is Kuss again, and Jorgenson alone probably won't be dropping Almeida, and if things go well, also not Yates.

I expect Simon Yates to be very strong in the Tour, at least for a couple of stages. He is certainly strong enough to drop his brother, and Almeida drops himself immediately when the pace goes above his threshold.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I expect Simon Yates to be very strong in the Tour, at least for a couple of stages. He is certainly strong enough to drop his brother, and Almeida drops himself immediately when the pace goes above his threshold.

Ah yeah I totally forgot about Simon! Almeida hasn't been doing so much Yoyoing this year though. I still think it's possible it might go the other way around. Actually be more of a back an forth, they will all have different form on the given days.
Overall I doubt Pogacar will be isolated super early, but with UAE of course you never know.

 

[YavorD]

Ah yeah I totally forgot about Simon! Almeida hasn't been doing so much Yoyoing this year though. I still think it's possible it might go the other way around. Actually be more of a back an forth, they will all have different form on the given days.
Overall I doubt Pogacar will be isolated super early, but with UAE of course you never know.

Isolation would matter only if Jorgenson is close enough to be some kind of threat (say less than a minute before the mountains) and, of course, he is with Vingegaard and Pogacar when the rest of UAE are dropped.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Isolation would matter only if Jorgenson is close enough to be some kind of threat (say less than a minute before the mountains) and, of course, he is with Vingegaard and Pogacar when the rest of UAE are dropped.

See, here we disagree, I don't see how Jorgenson is a better climber than Almeida, so I don't think Almeida will always be dropped before Jorgenson, and I'm not sure about A.Yates either. The Giro was nothing, but who knows how he'll show up at the tour, and if he ignores GC he can take rests. A scenario where Pogacar is always isolated to me seems a bit like trying to manifest a wish to be true. Sure UAE didn't look good at the Giro with every rider, but other than that they've been flying all season. So I don't quite understand yet where the idea comes from that now suddenly every climber on Rabobank is going to be stronger than those of UAE.
Time will tell anyway.

 

[YavorD]

See, here we disagree, I don't see how Jorgenson is a better climber than Almeida, so I don't think Almeida will always be dropped before Jorgenson, and I'm not sure about A.Yates either. The Giro was nothing, but who knows how he'll show up at the tour, and if he ignores GC he can take rests. A scenario where Pogacar is always isolated to me seems a bit like trying to manifest a wish to be true. Sure UAE didn't look good at the Giro with every rider, but other than that they've been flying all season. So I don't quite understand yet where the idea comes from that now suddenly every climber on Rabobank is going to be stronger than those of UAE.
Time will tell anyway.

First, I didn't say Jorgenson is a better climber than Almeida. Unless he improved in the last months, he isn't.
However, Almeida's riding style- not to go above his threshold, makes me think he'll be dropped rather early sometimes (he didn't ride much yo-yo this season because he was the strongest rider in the strongest team in the races he won). The only time Visma drove the pace hard last year, Almeida was dropped early by far weaker Visma squad.

And second, I didn't say that Pogacar will be always isolated, that's hard to imagine. But I won't be surprised if he is isolated on 1 or 2 stages

P.s. If you're going to use Rabobank for Visma, it's only fair to use Lampre for UAE.
And suddenly Rabobank being better than Lampre is starting to make sense, doesn't it?

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think Visma will just go for the typical isolate Pog and roll attacks on him. It basically always works because he is almost always isolated early. Even yesterday he was isolated and they tried to roll him but he didn't respond to Jorgenson. Not sure if he will be able to get away with that in the tour.

But Visma can't beat Pogacar with that tactic anymore. Matteo will be minutes behind Pogacar before Col de la Loze.

 

[Froome]

The Tour will be very simple.
There will be no 2 vs 1 or creative tatics.

It will be 1 vs 1 and that's it. Visma will make the race hard, put the peloton in pieces very soon, and then Vingegaard will attack. The strongest will win.

 

[theyoungest]

See, here we disagree, I don't see how Jorgenson is a better climber than Almeida, so I don't think Almeida will always be dropped before Jorgenson, and I'm not sure about A.Yates either. The Giro was nothing, but who knows how he'll show up at the tour, and if he ignores GC he can take rests. A scenario where Pogacar is always isolated to me seems a bit like trying to manifest a wish to be true. Sure UAE didn't look good at the Giro with every rider, but other than that they've been flying all season. So I don't quite understand yet where the idea comes from that now suddenly every climber on Rabobank is going to be stronger than those of UAE.
Time will tell anyway.

Earlier in the season Lampre were certainly flying on every climb. I expect them to do the same in the Tour. They tend to coalesce around Pogacar in a way they never do in other races. But climbing in the Tour is different from other races as well, there an allrounder like Jorgenson can go a long way whereas in for example the Giro he wouldn't be of much value.

 

[Mina.S]

I like a lot of people are not sold on Narvaez. Who would you replace him with if you could?

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

First, I didn't say Jorgenson is a better climber than Almeida. Unless he improved in the last months, he isn't.
However, Almeida's riding style- not to go above his threshold, makes me think he'll be dropped rather early sometimes (he didn't ride much yo-yo this season because he was the strongest rider in the strongest team in the races he won). The only time Visma drove the pace hard last year, Almeida was dropped early by far weaker Visma squad.

And second, I didn't say that Pogacar will be always isolated, that's hard to imagine. But I won't be surprised if he is isolated on 1 or 2 stages

Well so I misunderstood you. So basically we don't really disagree at all. As I did say I think he might be isolated from time to time, as may be Vingegaard. So I don't quite understand where the initial disagreement came from.

P.s. If you're going to use Rabobank for Visma, it's only fair to use Lampre for UAE.
And suddenly Rabobank being better than Lampre is starting to make sense, doesn't it?

Ah the reason I was using this is that by July 1st, Rabobank is back as a Partner of Visma. So I thought I'd honor this out of a bit of nostalgia.
But given what you yourself posted now, I honestly don't understand why you would hold that Visma will be stronger than UAE, given how they both performed overall this season. But maybe I misunderstood that as well...

 

[Cycling111]

Rabobank returns in July, Lampre no.

Jorgenson isn't even a better climber than Almeida and Landa.

 

[YavorD]

But given what you yourself posted now, I honestly don't understand why you would hold that Visma will be stronger than UAE, given how they both performed overall this season. But maybe I misunderstood that as well...

No, you didn't misunderstood that.
I do think Visma will generally be stronger than UAE in the high mountains because I think Jorgenson, Kus and Simon Yates are better than Sivakov, Adam Yates and Almeida (unless he rides outside of his comfort zone),
That of course depends on Kuss being Kuss for at least 1 or 2 stages, but I believe he will be.
And yes, Visma underperformed early in the season, and I pointed that out a few times, but they look better and beter when the main objectives come.

As for the Rabo reference, that's my bad, sorry. Forgot about them coming back.

 

[YavorD]

Rabobank returns in July, Lampre no.

Jorgenson isn't even a better climber than Almeida and Landa.

He doesn't need to be if he is able to replicate his PdB performance twice in the Tour.
Almeida and Landa are better than Jorgenson and finished higher on that stage, but didn't do anything for their leader on there.
And that's what really matters.

Also, Lampre doesn't really need to come back. Sometimes UAE ride with Lampre-like tactics anyway. But their jersey was much better 😅.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I like a lot of people are not sold on Narvaez. Who would you replace him with if you could?

I would replace him for Majka to be honest.

 

[Gratemans]

But their jersey was much better

If there's one jersey I miss from back in the day, it's that one 🙁

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

I like a lot of people are not sold on Narvaez. Who would you replace him with if you could?

Vermeersch. Or Majka if Yates doesn't find his form.

 

[YavorD]

If there's one jersey I miss from back in the day, it's that one 🙁

I liked Liquigas' a lot as well.

 

[BubbaChuck]

narvaez,welcome.

 

[Rou]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbztBsPP6es


Go to 05:49. Jorgenson is having delusions of trying to be closer to the aliens in climbing. Visma will try the double leader attack on Pogacar in July. Let's see this week how realistic it can be.

 

[AmRacer]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbztBsPP6es


Go to 05:49. Jorgenson is having delusions of trying to be closer to the aliens in climbing. Visma will try the double leader attack on Pogacar in July. Let's see this week how realistic it can be.

I guess both Remco and Rogla can drop Matteo, so if Matteo goes. He will be chased down by R&R also.

 

[hayneplane]

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Their Tour team is already pretty much a certainty, barring injury. Laporte will be replaced by Affini. They don't believe in stacking your team with climbers like UAE do.

Vingegaard - Yates - Kuss - Jorgenson - Van Aert - Affini - Campenaerts - Benoot.

I think Tulett on 2025 form would have a far higher ceiling as a helper than Benoot in a similar role but Benoot has the credit in the bank of being reliable in the role for many years.

 

[OJRvE]

I like a lot of people are not sold on Narvaez. Who would you replace him with if you could?

Who from Dauphine + Almeida and Yates is currently out? Novak? I would bring him any day.