the fact that he was checking out the weight of visma's Cervelo, is telling.
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I get the "he did a full spring and shouldn't be at his peak yet right now" argument.
But it's also what Savant12 said I believe. It's beginning to look more and more like he won a crapload of races despite his material and team. (Where 'material' is specifically regarding the TT bikes)
- Aug 13, 2011
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It looked like he was going to crash throughout the course. It was annoying hearing the commentators talk about how well he’s cornering then you see him fighting the bike the whole way. I’m not to worried about it, I think climbing he’ll be in great shape. Pog and Vingegaard should have a field day the last 3 days.
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Pogacar generally have no problems facing media on bad days. If yesterdays performance was because of a bad day he would have talked about it with the media but with footage going around of him examining Visma's TT bike to presumably compare with his own tells that he is not happy with something.
- Nov 5, 2013
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My take is that, regardless of the issue in this TT, it has nothing to do with his form for the Tour, and anyone who thinks it reflects poorly on how he will do, will be proven worng.
give me a farting break. last year visma TT were garbage, UAE killing it.
As if a year is going to change much..
As if a year is going to change much..
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Hey Moose, wanna take the new Colnago TT bike out for a spin, it's really an awes....
- Aug 13, 2011
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Damn Visma’s colnago weighs less than I thought. No wonder they're flying, it’s like it’s not even there.
They also made a good point on the LRCP. We don't have a huge reference point for Pog's form at this point before the Tour. In 2024 and 2023 he didn't do a pre-Tour stage race; and in 2022 and 2021 he did the Tour of Slovenia against middling opposition. Maybe this is normal for him, we don't know. It may just be that JV and Remco are hitting their peak slightly early, whereas Pog has just come down from altitude so a little bit off.
I have to say, I don't really understand the "just down from altitude so not at peak form yet", but I kept seeing it mentioned re WvA in the spring, so I assume there's some science behind it?
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He will be fine to the tour. He is growing in form. He just lacks a few percent now and in a tt that can be costly.
If Remco and/or Vinge rides away from him on the climbs this weekend, then I will be worried, but I don't see it happening.
If Remco and/or Vinge rides away from him on the climbs this weekend, then I will be worried, but I don't see it happening.
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- Jul 16, 2015
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Whomever was going to underperform (relatively speaking) in this Dauphiné was always going to have a valid explanation: peak in July, not in June.
That said, the fact it's seemingly Pog who was lesser yesterday was a slight curveball in preconceived narratives because he's viewed as a top performer all year round.
It's made the weekend's upcoming mountain stages slightly more interesting tbh.
That said, the fact it's seemingly Pog who was lesser yesterday was a slight curveball in preconceived narratives because he's viewed as a top performer all year round.
It's made the weekend's upcoming mountain stages slightly more interesting tbh.
- Feb 18, 2015
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One thing I was thinking is that Pogacar might have more of an eye on the Vuelta than Vingegaard which would explain why you would come to the Dauphine a little undercooked. Froome is a good example of a rider whose performances at the Dauphine became progressively less impressive the more focus he put on achieving the Vuelta-Tour double culminating in 2017 when he was pretty bad at the Dauphine yet finally won the double.
But those explanations are always easy to make after we already know the result. The fact that this TT was so far off from the expectations should be worrysome. It reminds me of post ban Contador who always went into the Dauphine with all his fans predicting victory and once he got his butt smacked all the fans pretended that a later peak was just part of the plan. Right now none of us have enough insight to know if this TT will worry Pogacar or if he is just peaking later, but I certainly feel less onfident in him now than I did a day ago.
But those explanations are always easy to make after we already know the result. The fact that this TT was so far off from the expectations should be worrysome. It reminds me of post ban Contador who always went into the Dauphine with all his fans predicting victory and once he got his butt smacked all the fans pretended that a later peak was just part of the plan. Right now none of us have enough insight to know if this TT will worry Pogacar or if he is just peaking later, but I certainly feel less onfident in him now than I did a day ago.
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pog said he is stuck with tour for years.than you have jonas,who lives for tour.wit that menatlity ist gonna be hard.forget about bike,what was pog doing there,lol.he was cooked on climb and it looks heat demolished him.and its gonna be hellon tour,cause july is gonna be extra spicy.
- Mar 19, 2009
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The climb might have cost him a few seconds, but he lost the majority of the time before the climb. After the first time check he lost an additional 8 seconds to Vingegaard and 18 more to Remco. It was a really strange TT by him. But the climb wasn't the real issue.
I've thought a bit about it and come to the conclusion that the best explanation is probably a combination of peaking later, which is why he said before the race he needs to get out of his mind that he needs to win the Dauphiné, pacing and having a worse bike or maybe trying a new position.
The mountains will tell us more if he should be worried or not.
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I mean, Contador literally got like 50th at 3 minutes in 2013 in the Dauphine ITT. This is just extreme expectation leading to extreme overreaction. For reference, Vingegaard got 7th in the (admittedly flat) TT in the 2022 Dauphine, losing 1s/min to Roglic rather than Evenepoel, and then in 2023 he lost a hilly ITT to Mikkel frigging Bjerg.
I also don't think the Vuelta has much to do with this, and it's more that he raced more heavily this spring and so probably needed to tune it down a bit more than the likes of Vingegaard and Evenepoel.
And maybe there's simply an argument to make that Pogacar's TT is simply overrated in the sense that it's the most type of race where he's most likely to drop a turd when he's not in tip top condition. But then the same applies to Vingegaard.
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The first ITT in the Tour is 33 kms. If they don't improve the setup Pog is risking 2 mins to Evenepoel there. I don't think that's a problem. The problem is that Jonas would put 60 secs on him.
Pog can have the best legs of his life but it wouldn't matter. If they put him on this junk TT bike again he will lose buckets of time.
Pog can have the best legs of his life but it wouldn't matter. If they put him on this junk TT bike again he will lose buckets of time.
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I still don't see any convincing reason to believe it should be much over 45s for either Vingegaard or Pogacar, nor any reason why there should be a big gap between Pogacar and Vingegaard.
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