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However for the Tour I am not really sure how the two teams will compare, will probably depend on the level they show each day
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
I don't believe. What UAE did in the Dauphiné, Visma would be able to do even better if they had a leader like Pogacar.
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It often happens now that you see all UAE riders at the front, dropping more or less everybody bar main GC contenders, used to be Visma, not anymore. Visma is still good at afflicting fatigue, through and through the stage.
 
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Visma has won GT with Kuss and Simon Yates, having not done so since 2018. UAE has been unable to do so with either Ayuso or Almeida.

I repeat, Kuss has a GT. A cyclist who only had a tenth-place finish before. Meanwhile, Ayuso, the best U23 rider of his generation, is still not achieving.

Last year, on the echelons stage, all the UAE riders were dropped except Pogacar. On these flat stages, Vineggaard always rides with at least a couple of teammates. In the UAE, he'd have to do it alone.
It's more difficult to race a GT in UAE because they're still a disaster in many areas.

Not to mention that Pogacar won a Tour without a team in 2020.
He's much more self-sufficient than Vingegaard.

You only have to look at Pogacar in Roubaix; he did it all alone. In 2022, Van Aert had to save Vineggaard on the cobbles stage.

Pogacar would be much more infallible in Visma.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
I hope not. If he wants to be the GOAT, he needs to win MSR, PR and the Vuelta. Vuelta looks like a sure deal, the other two? Not really.
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Imo he does not need to win MSR and PR to become the goat, I know merckx won all monuments, GTs and the WC but it's clearly much more difficult to win all five monuments in this era of ultra specialization. If pog wins more times the TDF (so at least 6) and also more WCs (at least 4) than merckx to me he will be the goat even if never wins PR and MSR, because he will be the record holder in the two most important races in cycling, while also having a very complete resume in other big races
 
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rafa92 said:
Imo he does not need to win MSR and PR to become the goat, I know merckx won all monuments, GTs and the WC but it's clearly much more difficult to win all five monuments in this era of ultra specialization. If pog wins more times the TDF (so at least 6) and also more WCs (at least 4) than merckx to me he will be the goat even if never wins PR and MSR, because he will be the record holder in the two most important races in cycling, while also having a very complete resume in other big races
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PR is a must. It's the queen of classics.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
PR is a must. It's the queen of classics.
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I know it's the queen of classics and it would be very nice to win it, but it's entirely flat, before pog it was unthinkable for a tdf winner who weighs 65kg to win PR in modern cycling .If he surpasses merckx in WCs and TDF wins he doesn't need PR
 
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rafa92 said:
I know it's the queen of classics and it would be very nice to win it, but it's entirely flat, before pog it was unthinkable for a tdf winner who weighs 65kg to win PR in modern cycling .If he surpasses merckx in WCs and TDF wins he doesn't need PR
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He was second this year and would have lost in a sprint if he didn't crash.
 
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Cycling111 said:
Visma has won GT with Kuss and Simon Yates, having not done so since 2018. UAE has been unable to do so with either Ayuso or Almeida.

I repeat, Kuss has a GT. A cyclist who only had a tenth-place finish before. Meanwhile, Ayuso, the best U23 rider of his generation, is still not achieving.

Last year, on the echelons stage, all the UAE riders were dropped except Pogacar. On these flat stages, Vineggaard always rides with at least a couple of teammates. In the UAE, he'd have to do it alone.
It's more difficult to race a GT in UAE because they're still a disaster in many areas.

Not to mention that Pogacar won a Tour without a team in 2020.
He's much more self-sufficient than Vingegaard.

You only have to look at Pogacar in Roubaix; he did it all alone. In 2022, Van Aert had to save Vineggaard on the cobbles stage.

Pogacar would be much more infallible in Visma.
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You are totally right, if you exclude every team main guy and just looking 3 GTs, monuments and WC (and that is really everything what's count) UAE is extremly bad since Pogi joined them. Jumbo won with Yates, Kuss, VWA and Roglic+ main guy, Alpecin with Philipsen + main guy, Bora with Hindley + main guy, even Bahrain won with Mohoric and Cobrelly, Also Ineos with GT and Kwiatkowski. UAE has great guys in their team but if Pogacar would race in other team they would have been seen as rich failure.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
What motivates Pogacar is being the best ever. He is no longer competing with MVP, Vingegaard, etc. His opponent is Eddy Merckx.
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Motivation is one thing he may have but PR "don't care" who you are. So many pitfalls and challenges there to undo an effort.
 
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Shortcut said:
You are totally right, if you exclude every team main guy and just looking 3 GTs, monuments and WC (and that is really everything what's count) UAE is extremly bad since Pogi joined them. Jumbo won with Yates, Kuss, VWA and Roglic+ main guy, Alpecin with Philipsen + main guy, Bora with Hindley + main guy, even Bahrain won with Mohoric and Cobrelly, Also Ineos with GT and Kwiatkowski. UAE has great guys in their team but if Pogacar would race in other team they would have been seen as rich failure.
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Equally though Visma have had a very strong classics group for 6-7 years and only had 1 MSR and 1 LBL to show for it.

Thomas was a classic example of swooping in to get the big win in between eras as Froome faded and before the Slovenian era started.
 
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Pogi must give them hell.

Visma mocked Pogi for years, it is now punishment o'clock.

Ladies and gentlemen fasten your seat belts 🔥



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