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Peyroteo94

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He is still not so far ahead from them in term of career result (of course in separate category not overall) so i would be careful with those statments. He still just one more TdF than Jonas and one monument more than MvDP. Just one crash, ilness or really bad day away and Jonas can win both TDF and Vuelta this year, that would mean 3 TdF +1 GT, so the same as Tadej.
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Or by the end of this Summer, he will have 4 Tours, 1 Giro and 1 Vuelta. It is more likely than your scenario IMHO (but I can understand your point).
 
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I don't agree to be honest. I think Visma is a better team but doesn't have the strongest rider. Can't even imagine what Pogacar would do with a domestique like WVA.

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Visma has won GT with Kuss and Simon Yates, having not done so since 2018. UAE has been unable to do so with either Ayuso or Almeida.

I repeat, Kuss has a GT. A cyclist who only had a tenth-place finish before. Meanwhile, Ayuso, the best U23 rider of his generation, is still not achieving.

Last year, on the echelons stage, all the UAE riders were dropped except Pogacar. On these flat stages, Vineggaard always rides with at least a couple of teammates. In the UAE, he'd have to do it alone.
It's more difficult to race a GT in UAE because they're still a disaster in many areas.

Not to mention that Pogacar won a Tour without a team in 2020.
He's much more self-sufficient than Vingegaard.

You only have to look at Pogacar in Roubaix; he did it all alone. In 2022, Van Aert had to save Vineggaard on the cobbles stage.

Pogacar would be much more infallible in Visma.
 
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I hope not. If he wants to be the GOAT, he needs to win MSR, PR and the Vuelta. Vuelta looks like a sure deal, the other two? Not really.
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Imo he does not need to win MSR and PR to become the goat, I know merckx won all monuments, GTs and the WC but it's clearly much more difficult to win all five monuments in this era of ultra specialization. If pog wins more times the TDF (so at least 6) and also more WCs (at least 4) than merckx to me he will be the goat even if never wins PR and MSR, because he will be the record holder in the two most important races in cycling, while also having a very complete resume in other big races
 
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Imo he does not need to win MSR and PR to become the goat, I know merckx won all monuments, GTs and the WC but it's clearly much more difficult to win all five monuments in this era of ultra specialization. If pog wins more times the TDF (so at least 6) and also more WCs (at least 4) than merckx to me he will be the goat even if never wins PR and MSR, because he will be the record holder in the two most important races in cycling, while also having a very complete resume in other big races
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PR is a must. It's the queen of classics.
 
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Visma has won GT with Kuss and Simon Yates, having not done so since 2018. UAE has been unable to do so with either Ayuso or Almeida.

I repeat, Kuss has a GT. A cyclist who only had a tenth-place finish before. Meanwhile, Ayuso, the best U23 rider of his generation, is still not achieving.

Last year, on the echelons stage, all the UAE riders were dropped except Pogacar. On these flat stages, Vineggaard always rides with at least a couple of teammates. In the UAE, he'd have to do it alone.
It's more difficult to race a GT in UAE because they're still a disaster in many areas.

Not to mention that Pogacar won a Tour without a team in 2020.
He's much more self-sufficient than Vingegaard.

You only have to look at Pogacar in Roubaix; he did it all alone. In 2022, Van Aert had to save Vineggaard on the cobbles stage.

Pogacar would be much more infallible in Visma.
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You are totally right, if you exclude every team main guy and just looking 3 GTs, monuments and WC (and that is really everything what's count) UAE is extremly bad since Pogi joined them. Jumbo won with Yates, Kuss, VWA and Roglic+ main guy, Alpecin with Philipsen + main guy, Bora with Hindley + main guy, even Bahrain won with Mohoric and Cobrelly, Also Ineos with GT and Kwiatkowski. UAE has great guys in their team but if Pogacar would race in other team they would have been seen as rich failure.
 
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You are totally right, if you exclude every team main guy and just looking 3 GTs, monuments and WC (and that is really everything what's count) UAE is extremly bad since Pogi joined them. Jumbo won with Yates, Kuss, VWA and Roglic+ main guy, Alpecin with Philipsen + main guy, Bora with Hindley + main guy, even Bahrain won with Mohoric and Cobrelly, Also Ineos with GT and Kwiatkowski. UAE has great guys in their team but if Pogacar would race in other team they would have been seen as rich failure.
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Equally though Visma have had a very strong classics group for 6-7 years and only had 1 MSR and 1 LBL to show for it.

Thomas was a classic example of swooping in to get the big win in between eras as Froome faded and before the Slovenian era started.
 
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