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Valv.Piti

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Stage 12 will be realtively uncomplicated I think. Well, depends if Visma goes really hard on Soulor and begin attacking again, but I doubt it. All he needs is one or two strong climbers to set a hard tempo the first half of Hautacam so he can drop Jonas for good, and then you have the MTT to gain further time. He should be the strongest there. Today he was a bit hampered by his team not being able to be there and put pressure the first km of the last climb plus responding to a few digs from Jorg, and also the headwind, so it was hard to make a difference.

What he needs to achieve is just to gain a comfortable margin on Jorg so they dont have to respond on those two Pyrenean stages and gain a bit more on Jonas. I'd be very happy with between 2-2,30 min on Jonas and 5 minutes on Jorg
 
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What happened after Remco attacked and Jonas/Pogi didn't react ? When my tv coverage went back to them Pogi and Jonas were back at the front.

The French are so stubborn in their covergae - why not have split screen when it's cear more than one interesting thing is happening
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Pogi closed it while trying to jettison his limpet.
 
Kedjan

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If Pog rides conservatively and just stays on Vinge's wheel, he will win this Tour barring a crash. Vinge will never be able to drop a Pog who just follows Vinge.

But we know Pog won't ride conservatively — he'll want to dominate Vinge in the high mountains. The only small hope I see for Vinge to win this Tour is if Pog fails to drop him, gets frustrated, and keeps attacking, wearing himself out in the process. Is this likely to happen? Not so much, but with Almeida gone and A Yates a bit weak, he might have a harder time to distance Vinge which could frustrate him. And overconfidence is an issue with Pog.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Stage 12 will be realtively uncomplicated I think. Well, depends if Visma goes really hard on Soulor and begin attacking again, but I doubt it. All he needs is one or two strong climbers to set a hard tempo the first half of Hautacam so he can drop Jonas for good, and then you have the MTT to gain further time. He should be the strongest there. Today he was a bit hampered by his team not being able to be there and put pressure the first km of the last climb plus responding to a few digs from Jorg, and also the headwind, so it was hard to make a difference.

What he needs to achieve is just to gain a comfortable margin on Jorg so they dont have to respond on those two Pyrenean stages and gain a bit more on Jonas. I'd be very happy with between 2-2,30 min on Jonas and 5 minutes on Jorg
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Where are those good climbers? It is clear Simon Yates, Matteo are better climbers right now and Adam can't even bother them, let alone Vingegaard.
 
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This really has the feel of the early stages of Tour '24 and the Dauphine. Punchy Jonas matching Pogi - Remco winning the TTs. To reverse those final GC standings Jonas is going to need a time machine to take Pogi back 2 years and swap him out for the '23 version.
 
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I hope Remco starts riding for a podium place and gives some help to Tadej if he isn't able to drop Vingegaard.
 
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fenns said:
This really has the feel of the early stages of Tour '24 and the Dauphine. Punchy Jonas matching Pogi - Remco winning the TTs. To reverse those final GC standings Jonas is going to need a time machine to take Pogi back 2 years and swap him out for the '23 version.
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I've always thought that the poor condition of Pogacar's performance at the Tour has been underestimated. His accident may not have been that serious, but Pogacar has explained that he didn't prepare well and that he wasn't in good psychologically. He also said that some members of the team let him down.
He had several problems after Liège.

Even so, he was superior to Vingegaard in three stages, until he collapsed in the final week.

I have doubts that a well-prepared Pogacar wouldn't have been able to win that Tour.

The 2022 was too conditioned by the Granon and a supersonic Van Aert.
 
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Cycling111 said:
I've always thought that the poor condition of Pogacar's performance at the Tour has been underestimated. His accident may not have been that serious, but Pogacar has explained that he didn't prepare well and that he wasn't in good psychologically. He also said that some members of the team let him down.
He had several problems after Liège.

Even so, he was superior to Vingegaard in three stages, until he collapsed in the final week.

I have doubts that a well-prepared Pogacar wouldn't have been able to win that Tour.

The 2022 was too conditioned by the Granon and a supersonic Van Aert.
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The thing is about 2022, in all subsequent stages after Grannon, Pogi never dropped Vingegaard in any mountain.
 
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The thing is about 2022, in all subsequent stages after Grannon, Pogi never dropped Vingegaard in any mountain.
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But Vingegaard dropped Pogacar only at Hautacam. After more than a week of riding in his wheel, Pogacar crashed on the previous descent, and with a Van Aert supersonic.

Pogacar was overconfident in 2022. And his preparation for the Tour was simply routine. His training routines were laughable when you read his Instagram stories. It seemed like a peaceful training session, considering it would be like 2021 TDF.
In 2023 he was much stronger than in 2022, but as mentioned earlier.
 
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Cycling111 said:
I've always thought that the poor condition of Pogacar's performance at the Tour has been underestimated. His accident may not have been that serious, but Pogacar has explained that he didn't prepare well and that he wasn't in good psychologically. He also said that some members of the team let him down.
He had several problems after Liège.

Even so, he was superior to Vingegaard in three stages, until he collapsed in the final week.

I have doubts that a well-prepared Pogacar wouldn't have been able to win that Tour.

The 2022 was too conditioned by the Granon and a supersonic Van Aert.
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His coach let him alone when he broke his hand. This is the main reason he changed coach.
 
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Lorzenz08 said:
The thing is about 2022, in all subsequent stages after Grannon, Pogi never dropped Vingegaard in any mountain.
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Nor before Granon as well.
Vingegaard really gave him a run for his money on PDBF. And at the time it was considered tailor made for Pogacar.
 
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I am pleased to see visma throwing weak haymakers. Let’s not get crazy with the idea visma is strong.

Pogi did a nice job stay out of the wind behind Jorg
 
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He's up a 1:17 on Vingo. He doesn't need to launch. He can win by 1:17 if he chooses to, and is able to. The problem is Vingo's. Today wasn't it for Visma if they wanted it, and if it was a real opportunity, they failed on it.

We'll know everything about the depth of form of each rider in the GC Wednesday and Thursday. If Vingo closes it to Pogi, there should be alarm bells going on. If the lead goes out, the bells will be ringing in Visma's camp.
 
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He's up a 1:17 on Vingo. He doesn't need to launch. He can win by 1:17 if he chooses to, and is able to. The problem is Vingo's. Today wasn't it for Visma if they wanted it, and if it was a real opportunity, they failed on it.

We'll know everything about the depth of form of each rider in the GC Wednesday and Thursday. If Vingo closes it to Pogi, there should be alarm bells going on. If the lead goes out, the bells will be ringing in Visma's camp.
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His tactic should be:
1. Going all out for 5 km, it doesn't matter if Vingegaard follows you or not. The goal is just put 2 minutes on Matteo.
2. Follow Vingegaard everywhere.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
His tactic should be:
1. Going all out for 5 km, it doesn't matter if Vingegaard follows you or not. The goal is just put 2 minutes on Matteo.
2. Follow Vingegaard everywhere.
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Pretty much agree with you, but I don't think he'll just lead Vingegaard for that long.
I expect Schleck-Contador repeat honestly.
 
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He needs helpers, not launchers( he's not a space shuttle 😂). If he's stronger, he'll drop Jonas with a couple of attacks, otherwise not. Simple. We'll see on Thursday.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
His tactic should be:
1. Going all out for 5 km, it doesn't matter if Vingegaard follows you or not. The goal is just put 2 minutes on Matteo.
2. Follow Vingegaard everywhere.
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This is interesting, I thought about this. What will he do if Vinge is in his wheel after a hard attack? Will he continue believing Vinge will break eventually? Or will he stop, catch his breath, and launch a new attack. I think he should at least try one time to continue, just to test Vinge out, but it should be on steeper sections where the draft is less. Hautacam has 2-3 kilometers in the middle around 10 %.
 
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