Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Heat factor+ yesterday's fall? I also think he decided to slow down in the second half of the climb since Jonas wasn't able to match him in any way.

Nah, he went full gas without slowing down.

 

[Valv.Piti]

This gap and he crashed

3 min without it

 

[Cycling111]

to be honest looking at riis in hautacam he looked much more comfortable on his bike

The development of the bicycles was inferior.
I don't know if it's called development in English.
Thirty years ago, it was harder to move a bicycle, so a record from 30 years ago means superior physical performance.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Great ride by Pogacar!!! Win number three in the worlds and most likely the final one at the Tour. Can still win 3-4 stages. Pogacar was just missing Almeida’s pacing to beat the record

 

[yaf2]

I want to see the watts, Vingegaard was definitively worse than in 2024 Pdb, no doubt about that, pog also but by a smaller margin. I know the pacing on pdb was perfect, but to keep the wheels when the pace is high you still have to push the watts!!

In which stratosphere do you think narvaez is putting vingegaard in the limit? Both pog & jonas followed the nuclear power with still 11 kms to go thats why they faded on the 2nd part. For ex. Lipowitz was not part of the watt bomb 11kms to go & rode with his pace. Him coming back to jonas & riding the same pace with pog on the last 5 km explains it

 

[Peyroteo94]

In which stratosphere do you think narvaez is putting vingegaard in the limit? Both pog & jonas followed the nuclear power with still 11 kms to go thats why they faded on the 2nd part. For ex. Lipowitz was not part of the watt bomb 11kms to go & rode with his pace. Him coming back to jonas & riding the same pace with pog on the last 5 km explains it

Yup. Vingegaard will put a minute on Lipo if he rides his own tempo

 

[rafa92]

Pogacar did around 6.6 W/Kg. Nothing crazy

exactly as I said before, nothing crazy and if you go back watching pdb he seemd much more in control than today, today you can see it he was at his absolute limit

 

[rafa92]

Yup. Vingegaard will put a minute on Lipo if he rodes his own tempo

I don't buy it, he might have been a bit better, not by a minute, today he was simply bad

 

[Peyroteo94]

exactly as I said before, nothing crazy and if you go back watching pdb he seemd much more in control than today, today you can see it he was at his absolute limit

He gained 2 minutes not 1 for a reason.

 

[rafa92]

He gained 2 minutes not 1 for a reason.

he gained 2 minutes today because vingegaard was much worse

 

[Monsi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945885317673755126

View: https://x.com/WattsinCycling/status/1945885317673755126


I think the heat took its toll but still an amazing performance.

 

[Cycling111]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945885317673755126

View: https://x.com/WattsinCycling/status/1945885317673755126


I think the heat took its toll but still an amazing performance.

And the crash.

Riis's record: 34:40

 

[Poursuivant]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945883872509534362

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1945883872509534362

 

[Cycling111]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1945883872509534362

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1945883872509534362

14 seconds Indurain (1.90 stature). A great performance but without a doubt PDB was superior.

 

[rafa92]

12 seconds that Indurain (1.90 stature). A great performance but without a doubt PDB was superior.

https://watts2win.eu/cyclist/2043/performance
also Isola and Combloux were superior, but he was better then pla d'adet which was the first mountain test in 2024

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

That top rider list on Hautacam, LMAO, 1996 was a big year

 

[Bombarolo]

PdB performance will never be matched. It’s clear that something was up that day with Remco or even Landa outperforming themselves.

 

[rafa92]

PdB performance will never be matched. It’s clear that something was up that day with Remco or even Landa outperforming themselves.

I'm not sure, pog has it in himself, in the first mountain test of this year he was better than in pla d'adet last year

 

[Monsi]

PdB performance will never be matched. It’s clear that something was up that day with Remco or even Landa outperforming themselves.

PdB '24 was just perfect for setting the best climbing performance in history. Jorgenson very hard pace from the bottom. Jonas already attacking with 10 km left and going with a very hard pace to try and drop Pogi. Then Pogi going all-out, dropping Jonas from 5.5km left after being in the wheel the whole time.

 

[Bombarolo]

I'm not sure, pog has it in himself, in the first mountain test of this year he was better than in pla d'adet last year

Maybe but clearly there were some conditions that day that allowed everyone to do their best numbers ever: weather, stage layout, wind, drafting, etc.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

PdB performance will never be matched. It’s clear that something was up that day with Remco or even Landa outperforming themselves.

Maybe weather conditions (wind) were better than guys doing w/kg calculations estimated. Other than that Pogacar was perfectly paced by Visma for most of the climb and therefore the crazy 1890 m/h of VAM for 40 minutes.

 

[Jack_89]

I'm just saying he was not on his Pdb level, that's it. Btw vingegaard was one minute slower than he was in 2022, that's a lot, to me vingegaard's level today was the biggest surprise

I think there were different conditions. At the Pdb 3 riders beat Pantani record and Landa was near the same. With all due respect, Remco and Landa aren't as good as Pantani. Plus they almost did a MTT with Jorgenson and Jonas who just launched Pocagar.

 

[rafa92]

Maybe but clearly there were some conditions that day that allowed everyone to do their best numbers ever: weather, stage layout, wind, drafting, etc.

it was not that ideal, hot conditions, long stage (almost 200 km which is a lot for a mountain stage), 5000 meters of climbing. The pacing was ideal

 

[Valv.Piti]

1996 was even quite tactical until Riis launched. Ofc it was also after a pan flat stage if I remember correctly.

 

[Red Rick]

Maybe but clearly there were some conditions that day that allowed everyone to do their best numbers ever: weather, stage layout, wind, drafting, etc.

Pretty significant tailwind that day, I'm fairly sure the estimates for PdB are too high and Evenepoel's trainer admitted as such.

Wouldn't be surprised if today was a similar level of performance from Pogacar.