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Peyroteo94 said:
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Pogacar gives candid response to Visma | Lease a Bike tactics: "If I were Vingegaard, I wouldn’t be happy with that"

Tadej Pogacar and Visma | Lease a Bike appeared to ease tensions after UAE Emirates-XRG’s sharp remarks, signaling a temporary truce between the rival teams.
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I still think they are (mostly) doing the right thing. I haven’t detailed analysis. But at one point Vingo had to try to bridge groups on his own. I don’t think this was necessary but hindsight is 20-20 as splits can easily turn into minutes that never get closed in a stage. So someone there at that moment would have been mandatory by visma

I think visma is all over the place to mine opportunities. Even for Vingo to bridge and take minutes out of pogi under numerous circumstances. Looks at the time Yates took on del toro with wva up the road at the giro as example
 
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I still think they are (mostly) doing the right thing. I haven’t detailed analysis. But at one point Vingo had to try to bridge groups on his own. I don’t think this was necessary but hindsight is 20-20 as splits can easily turn into minutes that never get closed in a stage. So someone there at that moment would have been mandatory by visma

I think visma is all over the place to mine opportunities. Even for Vingo to bridge and take minutes out of pogi under numerous circumstances. Looks at the time Yates took on del toro with wva up the road at the giro as example
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They are but not in this type of stages. In these stages, they just want to win.
 
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They where mostly lucky Pogi didn't decide to go for it. The group he was in plus Visma riders, nobody would catch them.
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Pogi turned out to be the best Jonas helper. Shame on Visma riders and Grischa!

"There was a moment when Vingegaard tried to come back after the crash, while three Visma riders were up front. Tim and I, from that group, tried to calm things down so everyone could get back."

"I didn't know what to think. I blocked Matteo, so the three of them couldn't continue. Maybe I helped Jonas by doing that, because it was a pretty strange situation. If I were in Jonas's position, I wouldn't be the happiest at the dinner table tonight. Because I think he can still win the Tour"
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Pogi turned out to be the best Jonas helper. Shame on Visma riders and Grischa!

"There was a moment when Vingegaard tried to come back after the crash, while three Visma riders were up front. Tim and I, from that group, tried to calm things down so everyone could get back."

"I didn't know what to think. I blocked Matteo, so the three of them couldn't continue. Maybe I helped Jonas by doing that, because it was a pretty strange situation. If I were in Jonas's position, I wouldn't be the happiest at the dinner table tonight. Because I think he can still win the Tour"
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Trine was right. His interview is probably what Vingegaard is suffering right now. He is mentaly fatigued, doesn't feel the support from his teammates like he felt 2 years ago.
Tough days for Jonas, specially when all this hard work doesn't prevent him from getting beaten by Pogacar quite easily (until this moment).
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Pogi turned out to be the best Jonas helper. Shame on Visma riders and Grischa!

"There was a moment when Vingegaard tried to come back after the crash, while three Visma riders were up front. Tim and I, from that group, tried to calm things down so everyone could get back."

"I didn't know what to think. I blocked Matteo, so the three of them couldn't continue. Maybe I helped Jonas by doing that, because it was a pretty strange situation. If I were in Jonas's position, I wouldn't be the happiest at the dinner table tonight. Because I think he can still win the Tour"
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But yesterday in the race thread, they criticized Pogacar instead of the Visma riders, who were the ones attacking.

It was very obvious. Hatred is blinding.

It went wrong for them. Wellens had no intention of joining the breakaway. But Pogacar, seeing that they weren't stopping and that Visma wanted to capitalize on the accident to win the stage, told him to go with them.
 
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Cycling111 said:
But yesterday in the race thread, they criticized Pogacar instead of the Visma riders, who were the ones attacking.

It was very obvious. Hatred is blinding.

It went wrong for them. Wellens had no intention of joining the breakaway. But Pogacar, seeing that they weren't stopping and that Visma wanted to capitalize on the accident to win the stage, told him to go with them.
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Pogacar is too good, the only way to take him down is getting in his head. Every successful rider will have people talking bad things about him.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
Pogi turned out to be the best Jonas helper. Shame on Visma riders and Grischa!
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It has always been like that and while you are winning hard to judge that. That is Rogla was a team leader with the soft hand and under him others stars could shine, like Wout and Sepp. Pogi was inspired too, when watching Rogla on TV as a kid, at RBH Giulio, Florian ... are now basically GT starts already. When Rogla left Visma and this became a spreadsheet team, Sepp was the first one that faded and now the pressure is on Wout, to stop being Wout. There is only Jonas. But here the problem is on what happens if Jonas can't win the Tour any more?

Anyway, first world problems.
 
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But yesterday in the race thread, they criticized Pogacar instead of the Visma riders, who were the ones attacking.

It was very obvious. Hatred is blinding.

It went wrong for them. Wellens had no intention of joining the breakaway. But Pogacar, seeing that they weren't stopping and that Visma wanted to capitalize on the accident to win the stage, told him to go with them.
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Yes indeed hatred is blinding.

UAE and Pogacar even keep a black list of riders they don't want to win or let go because they 'dont like them'... That's just absolutely bad *** crazy.
 
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Pretty sure that list is quite a bit longer. Jorgenson likely is on that list.
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Nah, it's clear that the only focus ATM is Jonas. The rest mostly fall into it due to Pogi mitigating the pressure applied by Visma, here Matteo is maybe targeted by lets say a rider like Tim. That is to have it covered for potential stage win. As if Visma is riding for a stage, then so is UAE. Either with Pogi and Jonas, or with team members. They won't just give that opportunity away, not due to blacklist, but due to this being a competition and team members want to win stages too. Especially when both teams are developed in such way they can afford it, each team having like 5 team members that can win a GT plus the team leaders.
 
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