Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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''Tom Pidcock climbed Målselv at 7.91 ᵉW/kg for 8:16, the best short-climb effort of the 21st century. The greatest of all time remains Evgeni Berzin’s 1995 Euskal Bizikleta performance: 8.50 ᵉW/kg for 4:46 to beat Alex Zülle.'' No wonder,he was so strong in strade.
 
Doesnt matter at all how he thinks right now about retiring. It is nothing more than a hint on if he is having a short or a long career. 3-4 years from now his feeling can be much different.
 
''Tom Pidcock climbed Målselv at 7.91 ᵉW/kg for 8:16, the best short-climb effort of the 21st century. The greatest of all time remains Evgeni Berzin’s 1995 Euskal Bizikleta performance: 8.50 ᵉW/kg for 4:46 to beat Alex Zülle.'' No wonder,he was so strong in strade.
Decent effort by Corbin Strong to follow him.

Also, obvious thread choice for this post.
 
''Tom Pidcock climbed Målselv at 7.91 ᵉW/kg for 8:16, the best short-climb effort of the 21st century. The greatest of all time remains Evgeni Berzin’s 1995 Euskal Bizikleta performance: 8.50 ᵉW/kg for 4:46 to beat Alex Zülle.'' No wonder,he was so strong in strade.
That's BS. Look to time gaps. He did the best short climb effort and time gaps were so tiny? Were others also climbing better than Pogacar?
 
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This is why I don't care about junior results anymore. They don't tell us anything about his future development and how they dominate when they are pros.
This also explains why Pogacar became the best after joining UAE.

 
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This is why I don't care about junior results anymore. They don't tell us anything about his future development and how they dominate when they are pros.
This also explains why Pogacar became the best after joining UAE.

Doesn’t explain his jump from 2023 -> 2024
 
Yes Lombardy the one and only race , yet somehow Pog is above him

It all depends on any weighting one applies to the level of competition.

It is incoceviable imo that Pog ends up with as many monuments and GTs overall as Merckx. For me however the numbers whereas instructive will not be determining for what is anyway a subjective question.

Assuming Pog continues to perform well for the next several years adding GTs and monuments he will be very close imo. If you look at some of the results from Liege/Ronde you can see how much narrower the competition pool was with the Belgium monuments becoming akin to a quasi Belgium Champs.
 
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What Pogacar is doing now is more difficult because his rivals are much more specialized.

While Vingegaard was training for the Tour, Pogacar was competing against VDP in Roubaix, which was his last objective of the season.

Before, De Vlaeminck finished seventh in Sallanches World Championships. Now, VDP isn't even going to World Championships, claiming it's for climbers. Not even Van Aert is going to Rwanda to be tough; De Vlaeminck went to Sallanches.

In today's cycling, Pogacar is the only cyclist who has to perform in every scenario. Pogacar has to vary his training at every moment of the year, while his rivals train for very specific goals.

Pogacar has to win on every terrain in a more specialized cycling world.
Before, everyone did more type of races.
 
Doesn’t explain his jump from 2023 -> 2024
his jump from 2023 is not as big at is seems. In 2023 he had an injury in the middle of the season who influenced his level in the tour. Despite that in the first two weeks of the tour he was still able to produce his best performances ever (at that point) on long climbs. Plus in the spring of 2023 his level was already super high, he won flanders and without the crash in liege he would have easily completed the ardennes treble. Then with the new trainer he increased his level in 2024 but not by that much compared to 2023 considering the injury. The jump from 2023-2024 is easily explainable
 
It all depends on any weighting one applies to the level of competition.

It is incoceviable imo that Pog ends up with as many monuments and GTs overall as Merckx. For me however the numbers whereas instructive will not be determining for what is anyway a subjective question.

Assuming Pog continues to perform well for the next several years adding GTs and monuments he will be very close imo. If you look at some of the results from Liege/Ronde you can see how much narrower the competition pool was with the Belgium monuments becoming akin to a quasi Belgium Champs.
Before his thoughts about retirement, I really thought 11 GTs or 19 monuments were reachable. MVP is getting older and Pogacar is getting better year after year. I was pretty sure he would reach his best level in 2026-2028. It's not unrealistic he would win 4 GTs or 6 monuments in this period.
Then he would only need 2 GTs or 4 monuments after 2028. This is not that difficult for a rider like Teddy.
 
his jump from 2023 is not as big at is seems. In 2023 he had an injury in the middle of the season who influenced his level in the tour. Despite that in the first two weeks of the tour he was still able to produce his best performances ever (at that point) on long climbs. Plus in the spring of 2023 his level was already super high, he won flanders and without the crash in liege he would have easily completed the ardennes treble. Then with the new trainer he increased his level in 2024 but not by that much compared to 2023 considering the injury. The jump from 2023-2024 is easily explainable
I don't agree, since you already said he was able to produce his best performances ever in 2023 and would've won the treble if Evenepoel didn't ride. Then on top of that he made a huge step.
 
his jump from 2023 is not as big at is seems. In 2023 he had an injury in the middle of the season who influenced his level in the tour. Despite that in the first two weeks of the tour he was still able to produce his best performances ever (at that point) on long climbs. Plus in the spring of 2023 his level was already super high, he won flanders and without the crash in liege he would have easily completed the ardennes treble. Then with the new trainer he increased his level in 2024 but not by that much compared to 2023 considering the injury. The jump from 2023-2024 is easily explainable
This. Before his crash, Pogi won these races:
PN (smoked Vingegaard)
RVV (doing something unthinkable for many users here: he dropped MVP)
AGR and FW (dominant performances)
LBL (he crashed but he was clearly the number one favorite)
His preparation was clearly suboptimal. IIRC he wasn't riding his bike (outdoor) until the last week of May and still showed a higher ceilling than Vingegaard. He just lacked consistency. Marie Blanque is a climb tailormade for Pogacar and he was almost 40 seconds slower thsn Vingegaard there. One day later, he is dropping Vingegaard. There is no way, a well prepared Pogacar would oscilate his level like this.
He made a jump from 2022 to 2023 and no one talks about this.
 
What Pogacar is doing now is more difficult because his rivals are much more specialized.

While Vingegaard was training for the Tour, Pogacar was competing against VDP in Roubaix, which was his last objective of the season.

Before, De Vlaeminck finished seventh in Sallanches World Championships. Now, VDP isn't even going to World Championships, claiming it's for climbers. Not even Van Aert is going to Rwanda to be tough; De Vlaeminck went to Sallanches.

In today's cycling, Pogacar is the only cyclist who has to perform in every scenario. Pogacar has to vary his training at every moment of the year, while his rivals train for very specific goals.

Pogacar has to win on every terrain in a more specialized cycling world.
Before, everyone did more type of races.
Perhaps , but where’s all the competition in the tour? Where are the guys who can finish high consistently? Apart from Vingegaard, there aren’t any.
It’s a very poor era for grand tour contenders.
 
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It all depends on any weighting one applies to the level of competition.

It is incoceviable imo that Pog ends up with as many monuments and GTs overall as Merckx. For me however the numbers whereas instructive will not be determining for what is anyway a subjective question.

Assuming Pog continues to perform well for the next several years adding GTs and monuments he will be very close imo. If you look at some of the results from Liege/Ronde you can see how much narrower the competition pool was with the Belgium monuments becoming akin to a quasi Belgium Champs.
I agree he can get very close, but he’s still some way off.
As for the last point, maybe in some races that was true, there were still a lot of strong riders there.

Pog only has one rival in the tour now, everybody else is very poor. Merckx had better competition at the tour than Pog has had, and if you took away Vingegaard Pogs competition would be truly atrocious
 

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