Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Tinnekeisabella]

I think the loss this year is def not a sign that he will never win the tour again.

I think the big factor was the lack of team. Even before the covid cases.

Even during the first week, Tadej was usually alone in the peloton which takes too much energy.

Bjerg, Mcnulty and majka tried a bit, but against Jumbo it was no use.

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

Dont think he should do the Vuelta.

Take some time off. Reset.

Try to win Lombardia again.

I would love to see hi’ do the vuelta but he seems tired so maybe a break would be better.

he can go and support Urska then

 

[CyclistAbi]

On the long run i feel that the performance on this Tour will gain him much fans.

As for some replies implying tactics were bad. On the stage 11. Maybe his personal tactics and decisions yes. But not tactics from his team. As UAE was a non factor on stage 11.

As for Pogi vs Jonas. Here i still feel that without Roglič it will be much harder for Jonas to gain time on Pogi. In a such fashion. On the other hand it does look like Jonas made a huge leap forward. The difference in between the duo and the rest was just light years.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I think the loss this year is def not a sign that he will never win the tour again.

I think the big factor was the lack of team. Even before the covid cases.

Even during the first week, Tadej was usually alone in the peloton which takes too much energy.

Bjerg, Mcnulty and majka tried a bit, but against Jumbo it was no use.

The difference will mainly be that others have smelled blood. For two straight years he has seemed unbeatable throughout most of the year. There was no weakness to be found. Now all of a sudden he gets dropped twice. Other teams will start opposing him with a changed mindset.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The difference will mainly be that others have smelled blood. For two straight years he has seemed unbeatable throughout most of the year. There was no weakness to be found. Now all of a sudden he gets dropped twice. Other teams will start opposing him with a changed mindset.

He definitely lost his aura on Granon and a psychological factor is important, yes.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I don't feel that Pogačar lost his aura. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

The difference will mainly be that others have smelled blood. For two straight years he has seemed unbeatable throughout most of the year. There was no weakness to be found. Now all of a sudden he gets dropped twice. Other teams will start opposing him with a changed mindset.

Well of course that was about to happen someday (otherwise he would def be clinic material).

Apart from Vingegaard no one came close anyway which will mean he wil still be the main favorite everywhere.

I think, to the contrary, he will probably find more allies in the future who think they can win by helping Tadej against the mighty Jumbo.

Either way, I look forward to the next years. It will get excited

 

[CyclistAbi]

The is a sense of injustice in such defeat. Getting beaten by two. It's not in win but in defeat. Where you evolve and better yourself. And it's not like Pogačar would ever win 10 Tours in a row. And it's not like the level he presented alone wasn't still light years ahead of the competition.

What he has to do now is to bounce back. A rather small bounce is needed.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

The is a sense of injustice in such defeat. Getting beaten by two. It's not in win but in defeat. Where you evolve and better yourself. And it's not like Pogačar would ever win 10 Tours in a row. And it's not like the level he presented alone wasn't still light years ahead of the competition.

What he has to do now is to bounce back. A rather small bounce is needed.

He was beaten by his overconfidence and one rider was able to take advantage of it. There is no sense of injustice imho. He fell victim to his own mistakes. If anything, TJV fooled him on stage 11 and outpokered him. Tactics and mindgames are as great a part of the sport as pushing watts. Which is actually what makes it so interesting.

 

[CyclistAbi]

He was beaten by his overconfidence and one rider was able to take advantage of it. There is no sense of injustice imho. He fell victim to his own mistakes. If anything, TJV fooled him on stage 11 and outpokered him. Tactics and mindgames are as great a part of the sport as pushing watts. Which is actually what makes it so interesting.

He was beaten by two on this Tour edition. Two against one in general feels a bit unjust. Add the riding style he had after. The whole unjust part is not on Roglilčes level still he earned fans for sure. Fans are pesky about this. They know.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He was beaten by two on this Tour edition. Two against one in general feels a bit unjust. Add the riding style he had after. The whole unjust part is not on Roglilčes level still he earned fans for sure. Fans are pesky about this. They know.

He was fooled by one and beaten by another. Fair play.

 

[CyclistAbi]

He was fooled by one and beaten by another. Fair play.

Maybe 50 years from now they will be able to figure it out. On what exactly happened. For one it couldn't be a fair play in the first place. As Rogličes bike was in third position on the team car.

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

He indeed got fooled by Jumbo using Roglic which he should have known was less of a threat.

But hopefully he will indeed learn from it, I am pretty sure it wont happen ever again.

I would love to hear how Roglic saw this whole 2 against 1 though. The uncensored version. Not sure we will ever though.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The term fooled is in my opinion not all that correct. He took some serious beating from Roglič. Lets not forget the attacks started at the Télégraphe. And lasted and lasted. Both Primož and Jonas doing around half. Tadej always at 100%.

Two potential Tour winners have beaten one. If we wouldn't be talking about two potential Tour winners. Against one. It would never had happened as it did.

 

[bNator]

He indeed got fooled by Jumbo using Roglic which he should have known was less of a threat.

But hopefully he will indeed learn from it, I am pretty sure it wont happen ever again.

I would love to hear how Roglic saw this whole 2 against 1 though. The uncensored version. Not sure we will ever though.

I'm sure you have something in mind, though...

 

[Tinnekeisabella]

I'm sure you have something in mind, though...

Of course, that is why I would like to hear what Primoz thinks. What his plans are. When things settle down.

 

[Cassirer]

I'm one of those easily influenced guys who will have an easier time cheering for pogacar now. Like especially roglic-fans stated, facing adversity plays a big part in sympathy. Getting beaten by Jonas, the little crash, dropped by van aert make him seem more human (although, objectively, he was still the one and only playing among the non-humans).

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

Overanalyzing much here? He wasn't fooled, he didn't spend more energy than Vingegaard on the Galibier, his team turned out to be quite good actually, only Hirschi bad, the rest good, Majka never rode that well as helper his whole career, just that Jumbo is extra-terrestrial. Forget Sky at its best, nowhere close to this.

But in the end reason 1, 2 and 3 are: Vingegaard just was better. If he wasn't, Pogacar would still have won.

 

[Didinho]

If he didn't cracked so back in stage 11 and only lost his minute like Hautacam, he would be 1'20 down and still in the running.
That being said, he's wearing white in the final TT. Congrats with his 3th Tour victory in a row.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Overanalyzing much here? He wasn't fooled, he didn't spend more energy than Vingegaard on the Galibier, his team turned out to be quite good actually, only Hirschi bad, the rest good, Majka never rode that well as helper his whole career, just that Jumbo is extra-terrestrial. Forget Sky at its best, nowhere close to this.

But in the end reason 1, 2 and 3 are: Vingegaard just was better. If he wasn't, Pogacar would still have won.

Likely copied from the JV almanac?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Although second place this year congratulations for the overall performance. Much of the relentless attacking efforts will be remembered. The rest of the bunch together attacked less than Pogi did alone.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laZELJvIV0Y


He literally says he did one of his best power outputs in the stage yesterday, and it wasn't enough. Also says the form is where he wants to be. Idk if season approach is gonna change much. Yes he did the classics but he didn't overrace or anything.

I also don't think Pogacar can just "become more focussed and peak on just the Tour". That trick doesn't work for everyone. He's just naturally a rider who's always good everywhere he starts. Always has been. It won't work.

 

[Lequack]

The it's Jonas who must become worse.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

No I think Pogacar still has what it takes to beat Vingegaard. He needs a better team to minimize the damage on stages that suit Vingegaard, and maximize the damage on stages that suit Pogi. In the end Pogacar is better at explosive stuff, classics, stuff, and time trialling. While Vingegaard is better in long hard climbing and close in Tt/other stuff. What helped Vingegaard is that he could absolutely maximize the gains in the stages that suited him, also because of team strength.

 

[Billie]

He's also not going to have another fringale on the hardest MTF of the race.