Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Gargamel35]

So you are saying if he loses Liege it doesn't matter. Got it...

So you're saying Rog is much better then Remco then? Since he beat him in the last race. Got it.

 

[Extinction]

As for Pog vs Remco to me Pog is the best cyclist I've ever seen. However, Remco is a prodigy as well. Time will tell if I'm right but I'll repeat it again: it almost feels like modern versions of Merckx and Hinault arrived in the same generation, we may not see something like this ever again.

All we need is both fully fit in direct confrontation at a major objective, preferably a GT, to see.

 

[Extinction]

Classic answer from a fanboy.
And you insulting others about sharpness proves my point even more.

When you start a response with the bolded, you prove my point regarding not looking very sharp. This was not an insult, but just an observation.

As for the rest of your post, it's so logically contorted, draws inferences from things I never even implied, that again I'm affraid doesn't make you seem very intelligent.

So I'll try to make it even clearer, you effectively wrote Pog is utterly superior to Evenepoel, to which I responded Liege should prove your point. Now you can take that ironically, which of course it somewhat was, but it doesn't change the fact that, to prove your statement, Pog will have to basically do to Evenepoel what Remco did to the competition in last year's edition.

 

[Gargamel35]

When you start a response with the bolded, you prove my point regarding not looking very sharp. This was not an insult, but just an observation.

As for the rest of your post, it's so logically contorted, draws inferences from things I never even implied, that again I'm affraid it doesn't make you seem very intelligent.

So I'll try to make it even clearer, you effectively wrote Pog is utterly superior to Evenepoel, to which I responded Liege should prove your point. Now you can take that ironically, which of course it somewhat was, but it doesn't change the fact that, to prove your statement, Pog will have to basically do to Evenepoel what Remco did to the competition in last year's edition.

Observation, sure. So all palmares of any cyclist means nothing? He needs to beat the other on the same race, both need to be in the same shape and you can throw in couple more excuses to fit the narrative towards Remco. Since you claim all this, Remco should maybe worry about the older Slovenian first, since he got beat by him the last time. Which proves (according to your stupid narrative) Rog is beater then Remco i guess. Don't bother to answer and go cry in Remco thread.

 

[Extinction]

Observation, sure. So all palmares of any cyclist means nothing? He needs to beat the other on the same race, both need to be in the same shape and you can throw in couple more excuses to fit the narrative towards Remco. Since you claim all this, Remco should maybe worry about the older Slovenian first, since he got beat by him the last time. Which proves (according to your stupid narrative) Rog is beater then Remco i guess. Don't bother to answer and go cry in Remco thread.

This is just idiotic drivel. Remco faces the "old Slovenian" for the big event in a month. So we shall see, just as the "young Slovenian" shall face Vingo in July. Again, we shall see.As for the rest, palmarès means most when all is said and done, not before. By contrast, you are boasting claims precipitously, which is dumb when there are still years ahead to draw final conclusions. I have claimed nothing, To the contrary, I'm waiting for more evidence. Now that Remco is back to pre-crash trajectory, it should be most interesting. But there is much yet to be discovered.

 

[BigCoward]

They hype going into 2024 TdF assuming Remco wins Giro, and Pog gets revenge but by small margin over Vingo in July on route that suits him is going to be immense. The silly bickering is going to be a sight to behold.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations on winning Tour of Flanders.

P.S. Now i guess Slovenian cyclists really need to start thinking on how to win Paris–Roubaix.

 

[SafeBet]

I'm now fully convinced he's the best rider I've seen in my life (started watching cycling in the early 90s).
And the first one I could see winning every Monument and every GT before retiring. We're halfway there.

 

[the asian]

I'm now fully convinced he's the best rider I've seen in my life (started watching cycling in the early 90s).
And the first one I could see winning every Monument and every GT before retiring. We're halfway there.

Seconded.

Definitely the best since Hinault.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So i guess Remco now has two forum threads.

 

[Gargamel35]

I'm now fully convinced he's the best rider I've seen in my life (started watching cycling in the early 90s).
And the first one I could see winning every Monument and every GT before retiring. We're halfway there.

Close, but have you seen Remco?

 

[CyclistAbi]

If we take a look at the generation Eddy. It should be rather clear that Pogi is way ahead for now.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Goddamit, Pogacar delivers a monstruous performance and tactical acumen and what I get for breakfeast is Remco fanboys going to other threads exposing how their little egos are offended.

 

[Volderke]

Pogacar is definitely a better rider than Evenepoel.

Better=

1. more polyvalent (proven), e.g. in high mountains as well as TT as well as cobbles. Evenepoel has an edge in TT, but shows weakness in high mountains and has everything yet to prove on cobbles.
2. better palmares / PCS points (say what you want about crashes etc, Pog has a better palmares / scored more points).
3. head-to-head career results until now (a very small sample, admitted, they really need to race more against each other).

The only statistic that gives the Remco fanboys (hey, I'm one of those!) a glimmer of hope, is his PCS points/age (as in: the increase in PCS-points over time):

Tadej Pogačar versus Remco Evenepoel

Head to head career results between Tadej PogaÄar and Remco Evenepoel. The overal score is 61.3% for Tadej PogaÄar versus 38.7% for Remco Evenepoel. A comparison on same race results, time trial points and the points per age.

www.procyclingstats.com

Remco is on a very steep curve that is equal to (or even surpasses) Pogacar's. But ofcourse, extrapolations of curves = wishful thinking. We don't know what the future will provide us.

 

[gunara]

Pog vs Remco and other Remco vs whatever thread are maybe useful now, so we don't have to have intense talk about him in every random thread.

 

[Netserk]

The only statistic that gives the Remco fanboys (hey, I'm one of those!) a glimmer of hope, is his PCS points/age (as in: the increase in PCS-points over time):

If it was a total accumulative score (so career to date, rather than a rolling year), Pogi would be well ahead of Evenepoel.

At their 23rd birthday, Evenepoel's career CQ score was 6349 points, Pogi's was 7301 points. Since then, Pogi has won Lombardia twice, the Tour, Ronde, T-A, P-N, UAE Tour, Strade, Montreal. So I think the gap will only continue to widen in Pogi's favour.

 

[Volderke]

If it was a total accumulative score (so career to date, rather than a rolling year), Pogi would be well ahead of Evenepoel.

At their 23rd birthday, Evenepoel's career CQ score was 6349 points, Pogi's was 7301 points. Since then, Pogi has won Lombardia twice, the Tour, Ronde, T-A, P-N, UAE Tour, Strade, Montreal. So I think the gap will only continue to widen in Pogi's favour.

But in that comparison, you're ignoring his crash.
I honestly don't know if the gap will continue to widen: Remco hasn't won a race of the caliber of the Tour and Tour of Flanders, but he wins a lot (of smaller races, stages and stage races). His PCS proves this. But ofcourse, that's only 1 metric, and even (supposed) he is doing as well as Pog in this regard, he won't be on the same level if one of the below doesn't happen:

1. win the TdF;
2. win another GT AND some monuments;
3. beat Pogacar fair and square in a number of races, while both in top shape, competing for the win.

That last (beating Pogacar) is something we want to see. But it seems very hard to have both of them lined up in the same race, with the same ambitions. TA proved that Pogacar still had the upper hand, but that's already 1 year ago. We have to wait too long for another head-to-head.

 

[Didinho]

I'm eager to see him on the Mur de Huy in this form. We can all see him win Amstel and Liege again, but he was always fading a bit in the Waalse Pijl at the end. 9th in 2020. 14th last year, even behind Guerreiro, Molard and Benoot there. I'm guessing Julian will be better in a couple weeks, fighting for the win again.

 

[topcat]

I'm now fully convinced he's the best rider I've seen in my life (started watching cycling in the early 90s).
And the first one I could see winning every Monument and every GT before retiring. We're halfway there.

1. Merckx
2. Hinault
3. Pogacar

I started watching cycling in the mid 70’s. I don’t really like it when one rider is overly dominant. So because of Pog, we need MVDP (without mistakes), Vingo and Remco to keep improving. It’s going to be a rollercoaster.

 

[Ulle97]

But in that comparison, you're ignoring his crash.
I honestly don't know if the gap will continue to widen: Remco hasn't won a race of the caliber of the Tour and Tour of Flanders, but he wins a lot (of smaller races, stages and stage races). His PCS proves this. But ofcourse, that's only 1 metric, and even (supposed) he is doing as well as Pog in this regard, he won't be on the same level if one of the below doesn't happen:

1. win the TdF;
2. win another GT AND some monuments;
3. beat Pogacar fair and square in a number of races, while both in top shape, competing for the win.

That last (beating Pogacar) is something we want to see. But it seems very hard to have both of them lined up in the same race, with the same ambitions. TA proved that Pogacar still had the upper hand, but that's already 1 year ago. We have to wait too long for another head-to-head.

I agree that Pogacar definitely has a better palmares than Remco.
Just curious about you comment where you say that Remco hasn't won a race of the caliber of the Tour and Flanders.
Surely the World Championship Road Race is every bit as valuable as Flanders. Granted, Flanders is more historic but there are many riders who'd prefer to have the rainbow jersey rather than Flanders on their resume.

 

[Gargamel35]

So i guess Remco now has two forum threads.

All threads belong to Remco.

I agree that Pogacar definitely has a better palmares than Remco.
Just curious about you comment where you say that Remco hasn't won a race of the caliber of the Tour and Flanders.
Surely the World Championship Road Race is every bit as valuable as Flanders. Granted, Flanders is more historic but there are many riders who'd prefer to have the rainbow jersey rather than Flanders on their resume.

Road WC = Monument, maybe even a bit more. But 1 WC < 2 monuments. 1 TdF win > 1 WC.

 

[Andy schleck]

I thought the conversation of remco being better than pogacar was finished after what happened yesterday. There's nothing to discuss about this matter. Pogacar is miles ahead of remco. It's hilarious after what happened tomorrow continue to discuss this matter.

 

[Volderke]

I agree that Pogacar definitely has a better palmares than Remco.
Just curious about you comment where you say that Remco hasn't won a race of the caliber of the Tour and Flanders.
Surely the World Championship Road Race is every bit as valuable as Flanders. Granted, Flanders is more historic but there are many riders who'd prefer to have the rainbow jersey rather than Flanders on their resume.

True in terms of prestige, but I honestly feel that Remco got a way 'easier' win (in watts, effort, competition, luck, parcours) in the Worlds than Pogacar in Flanders, where he had to be tactically and physically 100% against formidable opponents. So I rate Pogs Flander's win higher in terms of effort, and show of his versatility.

 

[hayneplane]

True in terms of prestige, but I honestly feel that Remco got a way 'easier' win (in watts, effort, competition, luck, parcours) in the Worlds than Pogacar in Flanders, where he had to be tactically and physically 100% against formidable opponents. So I rate Pogs Flander's win higher in terms of effort, and show of his versatility.

Other than the MVDP hotel incident all the big guns for a course like that were there in Australia. The leaders could have gone in the move Remco went away in but held back conservatively expecting the race to come back to them and finding out it would not do so. Their fault for a tactical error.

 

[Big Doopie]

Wow. I truly apologize for writing a post saying that Pog is the best current cyclist in the Pog thread.

I feel terrible that writing that was apparently such an insult.

Well at least it propped up his thread with a flurry of posts…