Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Extinction]

Maybe a shovel of asphalt would be able to prevent it?

I think they try and patch up the roads before race day, but obviously on a 260 km course things can slip by.

 

[Nick2413]

Maybe a shovel of asphalt would be able to prevent it? Based on the pre race inspection. Who knows. AFAIK there is no analysis of the incident available i could read. Some social media posts and that is it.

Anyway. When we will get from this apologetic, luck,karma, esoteric ... culture to somebody at UCI actually resigning for objective reasons. When UCI No.1 brakes a bone. Then likely injuries will still be a part of this sport. But much left often.

For now it hence makes sense to at least response to this lazy nonsense. All beginnings are hard. But i see riders speaking out. Things are changing slowly. We'll get there.

There are minor things that can be done like better route design and attention to road quality, but any more than that is basically asking for the sport to be shut down. The real question is if we will be allowed to have sports that are inherently dangerous in the coming years and decades, with the way the media and moral posturing works.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I think they try and patch up the roads before race day, but obviously on a 260 km course things can slip by.

Who? UAE?

I know this is the Pog thread and will attract his fans, some of whom do seem a little bit FanBoy obsessive but regardless of that, the guy is a pro cyclist and he had a crash like many others have done, I hope he is not in too much pain and gets well soon but surely that is it?

One thing i know for sure is and that is currently nobody is obsessive about safety in pro peloton. Is the last thing on the list and nobody wants to be bothered about it. From personal point of view i can't even believe on how bare minimum discussions we are having about this aspects. And even that is like Mont Everest to some. It's like the safety culture is obsessive with not doing anything else but to ignore safety.

There are minor things that can be done like better route design and attention to road quality, but any more than that is basically asking for the sport to be shut down. The real question is if we will be allowed to have sports that are inherently dangerous in the coming years and decades, with the way the media and moral posturing works.

Cycling will like always survive just fine. In my opinion what will change is such lack of responsibility and disregard to taking safety seriously. This in my opinion will change. The sooner the better.

In general if i remember correctly Sagan said he won't say anything due to making things worse. But at least he said that. Now a cyclist like Tao says it out loud and in general there is no real backslash involved anymore. So things are improving. But obviously at snail pace. All in all we will get there. UCI No.1 brakes a bone way to often. To keep it under the rug.

 

[RedheadDane]

Who? UAE?

No... obviously.
The race organisers, or local authorities.

 

[CyclistAbi]

No... obviously.
The race organisers, or local authorities.

Exactly. We assume somebody did. But is that true? And if yes which one and did they actually? There should be some report about such incident made publicly available somewhere? Or they just don't care to be bothered with it? As Pogi will be training for the Tour starting today.

P.S. Maybe such report is posted somewhere on the internet i just couldn't find it for now.

 

[Nick2413]

Who? UAE?



One thing i know for sure is and that is currently nobody is obsessive about safety in pro peloton. Is the last thing on the list and nobody wants to be bothered about it. From personal point of view i can't even believe on how bare minimum discussions we are having about this aspects. And even that is like Mont Everest to some. It's like the safety culture is obsessive with not doing anything else but to ignore safety.



Cycling will like always survive just fine. In my opinion what will change is such lack of responsibility and disregard to taking safety seriously. This in my opinion will change. The sooner the better.

In general if i remember correctly Sagan said he won't say anything due to making things worse. But at least he said that. Now a cyclist like Tao says it out loud and in general there is no real backslash involved anymore. So things are improving. But obviously at snail pace. All in all we will get there. UCI No.1 brakes a bone way to often. To keep it under the rug.

Things like random potholes on 260k routes aren’t ever going away. Using that as an example of the need for increased safety is not an accurate reflection of what can actually be fixed. Other things sure, better designed finishes and potentially certain other things.

 

[RedheadDane]

Exactly. We assume somebody did. But is that true? And if yes which one and did they actually? There should be some report about such incident made publicly available somewhere?

There generally aren't reports about potholes being fixed. Mostly people just pass by where they used to be, and notice they've been fixed.

 

[Offline]

He'll likely don't race any races before the tour and go straight form altitude camp to the tour start.
9 weeks left. 1 off, 3-4 on home trainer and 4 on altitude camp.

If he still on home trainer in June, Then he is out of the tour.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Nick2413

And what in your opinion can potentially actually get fixed? If inspection for big holes in the road should not be on the list.

 

[CyclistAbi]

There generally aren't reports about potholes being fixed. Mostly people just pass by where they used to be, and notice they've been fixed.

So UCI should in your opinion not investigate such safety incident in more detail and to make a final report available to the public about it?

 

[RedheadDane]

So UCI should in your opinion not investigate such safety incident in more detail and to make a final report available to the public about it?

Unfortunately, a report can - as in this case - only be made after-the-fact.

 

[Extinction]

Who? UAE?



One thing i know for sure is and that is currently nobody is obsessive about safety in pro peloton. Is the last thing on the list and nobody wants to be bothered about it. From personal point of view i can't even believe on how bare minimum discussions we are having about this aspects. And even that is like Mont Everest to some. It's like the safety culture is obsessive with not doing anything else but to ignore safety.



Cycling will like always survive just fine. In my opinion what will change is such lack of responsibility and disregard to taking safety seriously. This in my opinion will change. The sooner the better.

In general if i remember correctly Sagan said he won't say anything due to making things worse. But at least he said that. Now a cyclist like Tao says it out loud and in general there is no real backslash involved anymore. So things are improving. But obviously at snail pace. All in all we will get there. UCI No.1 brakes a bone way to often. To keep it under the rug.

The race organization.

If they're not concerned about safety today, then how was it when we rode without cumpulsory helmets and there were no extreme weather protocals? You simply had to be tough and courageous. Moreover, you just didn't have the idea that sombody had to tend to these things. You only had yourself to look after and perhaps this grave responsibility actually made the racing less incident prone.

It's not that the race organization shouldn't seek to render the rider situation as safe as possible, but nobody made a cyclist become a cyclist. Racing on narrow roads in a peloton and descending at 70-80 kph is not forced upon anyone. It just comes with the territory, which is inherently dangerous. However, if everyone behaved like Achilles on Skyros there would be no epic myths to put to hymns.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

Safety? No more Paris-Roubaix then, it's been abolished by safety protocols.

 

[Bonimenier]

Chirurg van Pogacar, die 6 weken out is: "In beste scenario zou Tour net moeten lukken" | sporza

10 weken. Volstaat dat voor Tadej Pogacar om zich na een operatie alsnog klaar te stomen voor de Ronde van Frankrijk? Joris Duerinckx, de chirurg die de polsbreuk van de Sloveen opereerde, ziet dat Pogacar "de beste kaarten" heeft om te herstellen. De ploegdokter van UAE Team Emirates bevestigt...

sporza.be

The surgeon who operated Pogacar says Pogacar should be able to be ready for the Tour in time.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@RedheadDane

Such reports are good for analytics and possible future prevention. And at minimum shows somebody is actually doing something.

@Extinction

Helmet is one thing we all agreed in that other thread about crashes. It was a good thing helmets were enforced in the peloton. But still that was done in another era. And not much was done since in regards to safety and apparel. All in all best if we discuss this further over there.

 

[Bonimenier]

@RedheadDane

Such reports are good for analytics and possible future prevention. And at minimum shows somebody is actually doing something.

@Extinction

Helmet is one thing we all agreed in that other thread about crashes. It was a good thing helmets were enforced in the peloton. But still that was done in another era. And not much was done since in regards to safety and apparel. All in all best if we discuss this further over there.

Maybe airbags for around the wrists should become mandatory!

 

[Extinction]

@RedheadDane

Such reports are good for analytics and possible future prevention. And at minimum shows somebody is actually doing something.

@Extinction

Helmet is one thing we all agreed in that other thread about crashes. It was a good thing helmets were enforced in the peloton. But still that was done in another era. And not much was done since in regards to safety and apparel. All in all best if we discuss this further over there.

Well I remember in the US crit scene back in the 80s guys put pads on their hips and shoulders. It did nothing, also because they were usually the guys least cognizant of causes, but made them feel "safer".

 

[CyclistAbi]

Maybe airbags for around the wrists should become mandatory!

Exactly. One more claiming that takes safety seriously. And in safety oriented discussion this is the best we get.

@Extinction

If you are interested we already discussed this same thing here:

Crashes, what can be done?

I feel like cycling is in the dark ages on this. Every one keeps saying 'this can't keep going on like this' but it always does. My sense is that one of the core issues is the riders are basically exploited labour - they're treated like pack fodder so that the show can keep going on...

forum.cyclingnews.com

I agree that "pur pads" offer less protection. That is on why in other sports, for the area you mentioned, they went with an air bag technology. And statistics proved it works. Cycling is currently still stuck in helmets era. We will get there.

 

[Extinction]

Exactly. One more claiming that takes safety seriously. And in safety oriented discussion this is the best we get.

@Extinction

If you are interested we already discussed this same thing here:

Crashes, what can be done?

I feel like cycling is in the dark ages on this. Every one keeps saying 'this can't keep going on like this' but it always does. My sense is that one of the core issues is the riders are basically exploited labour - they're treated like pack fodder so that the show can keep going on...

forum.cyclingnews.com

I agree that "pur pads" offer less protection. That is on why in other sports, for the area you mentioned, they went with an air bag technology. And statistics proved it works. Cycling is currently still stuck in helmets era. We will get there.

Listen, the very first lesson I was given about racing on a bicycle was foremost to stay on your bike, then stay on the front and then try to win. At times it seems the first rule is no longer considered.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogacar out for 4-6 weeks, probably no altitude training in May:

UPDATED: Doctors confirm six-week recovery for Tadej Pogačar after Liège-Bastogne-Liège surgery

Slovenian star undergoes successful surgery, crucial pre-Tour de France altitude camps at question.

www.velonews.com

Not good but it still depends on how quickly it actually heals. He can skip Slovenia and spend the whole June at an altitude. If the preparations turn out to be not enough there's still Vuelta.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Extinction

Exactly. And years later somebody put a helmet on your head. Just to be on the safe side. Anyway. If you are interested in this discussion feel free to drop in in that other thread.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Pogacar out for 4-6 weeks, probably no altitude training in May:

UPDATED: Doctors confirm six-week recovery for Tadej Pogačar after Liège-Bastogne-Liège surgery

Slovenian star undergoes successful surgery, crucial pre-Tour de France altitude camps at question.

www.velonews.com

Not good but it still depends on how quickly it actually heals. He can skip Slovenia and spend the whole June at an altitude. If the preparations turn out to be not enough there's still Vuelta.

Yeah. It's not optimal. Weeks of rehabilitation and discomfort on the bike involved for sure. But lets stay optimistic.

 

[Extinction]

Well, he had no plans to race for the next month and a half

Certainly, but everyone takes on their own risk in classics in light of Grand Tours.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Certainly, but everyone takes on their own risk in classics in light of Grand Tours.

That's cycling. If you want to win you have to race, If you race you can crash. Pog had never crashed out of any race before, which was rare.

 

[Lequack]

That's cycling. If you want to win you have to race, If you race you can crash. Pog had never crashed out of any race before, which was rare.

What about Vingegaard? I don't remember him crashing out of any race.