Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[RedheadDane]

Who? UAE?

No... obviously.
The race organisers, or local authorities.

 

[CyclistAbi]

No... obviously.
The race organisers, or local authorities.

Exactly. We assume somebody did. But is that true? And if yes which one and did they actually? There should be some report about such incident made publicly available somewhere? Or they just don't care to be bothered with it? As Pogi will be training for the Tour starting today.

P.S. Maybe such report is posted somewhere on the internet i just couldn't find it for now.

 

[Nick2413]

Who? UAE?



One thing i know for sure is and that is currently nobody is obsessive about safety in pro peloton. Is the last thing on the list and nobody wants to be bothered about it. From personal point of view i can't even believe on how bare minimum discussions we are having about this aspects. And even that is like Mont Everest to some. It's like the safety culture is obsessive with not doing anything else but to ignore safety.



Cycling will like always survive just fine. In my opinion what will change is such lack of responsibility and disregard to taking safety seriously. This in my opinion will change. The sooner the better.

In general if i remember correctly Sagan said he won't say anything due to making things worse. But at least he said that. Now a cyclist like Tao says it out loud and in general there is no real backslash involved anymore. So things are improving. But obviously at snail pace. All in all we will get there. UCI No.1 brakes a bone way to often. To keep it under the rug.

Things like random potholes on 260k routes aren’t ever going away. Using that as an example of the need for increased safety is not an accurate reflection of what can actually be fixed. Other things sure, better designed finishes and potentially certain other things.

 

[RedheadDane]

Exactly. We assume somebody did. But is that true? And if yes which one and did they actually? There should be some report about such incident made publicly available somewhere?

There generally aren't reports about potholes being fixed. Mostly people just pass by where they used to be, and notice they've been fixed.

 

[Offline]

He'll likely don't race any races before the tour and go straight form altitude camp to the tour start.
9 weeks left. 1 off, 3-4 on home trainer and 4 on altitude camp.

If he still on home trainer in June, Then he is out of the tour.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Nick2413

And what in your opinion can potentially actually get fixed? If inspection for big holes in the road should not be on the list.

 

[CyclistAbi]

There generally aren't reports about potholes being fixed. Mostly people just pass by where they used to be, and notice they've been fixed.

So UCI should in your opinion not investigate such safety incident in more detail and to make a final report available to the public about it?

 

[RedheadDane]

So UCI should in your opinion not investigate such safety incident in more detail and to make a final report available to the public about it?

Unfortunately, a report can - as in this case - only be made after-the-fact.

 

[Extinction]

Who? UAE?



One thing i know for sure is and that is currently nobody is obsessive about safety in pro peloton. Is the last thing on the list and nobody wants to be bothered about it. From personal point of view i can't even believe on how bare minimum discussions we are having about this aspects. And even that is like Mont Everest to some. It's like the safety culture is obsessive with not doing anything else but to ignore safety.



Cycling will like always survive just fine. In my opinion what will change is such lack of responsibility and disregard to taking safety seriously. This in my opinion will change. The sooner the better.

In general if i remember correctly Sagan said he won't say anything due to making things worse. But at least he said that. Now a cyclist like Tao says it out loud and in general there is no real backslash involved anymore. So things are improving. But obviously at snail pace. All in all we will get there. UCI No.1 brakes a bone way to often. To keep it under the rug.

The race organization.

If they're not concerned about safety today, then how was it when we rode without cumpulsory helmets and there were no extreme weather protocals? You simply had to be tough and courageous. Moreover, you just didn't have the idea that sombody had to tend to these things. You only had yourself to look after and perhaps this grave responsibility actually made the racing less incident prone.

It's not that the race organization shouldn't seek to render the rider situation as safe as possible, but nobody made a cyclist become a cyclist. Racing on narrow roads in a peloton and descending at 70-80 kph is not forced upon anyone. It just comes with the territory, which is inherently dangerous. However, if everyone behaved like Achilles on Skyros there would be no epic myths to put to hymns.

 

[The fridge in the blue trees]

Safety? No more Paris-Roubaix then, it's been abolished by safety protocols.

 

[Bonimenier]

Chirurg van Pogacar, die 6 weken out is: "In beste scenario zou Tour net moeten lukken" | sporza

10 weken. Volstaat dat voor Tadej Pogacar om zich na een operatie alsnog klaar te stomen voor de Ronde van Frankrijk? Joris Duerinckx, de chirurg die de polsbreuk van de Sloveen opereerde, ziet dat Pogacar "de beste kaarten" heeft om te herstellen. De ploegdokter van UAE Team Emirates bevestigt...

sporza.be

The surgeon who operated Pogacar says Pogacar should be able to be ready for the Tour in time.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@RedheadDane

Such reports are good for analytics and possible future prevention. And at minimum shows somebody is actually doing something.

@Extinction

Helmet is one thing we all agreed in that other thread about crashes. It was a good thing helmets were enforced in the peloton. But still that was done in another era. And not much was done since in regards to safety and apparel. All in all best if we discuss this further over there.

 

[Bonimenier]

@RedheadDane

Such reports are good for analytics and possible future prevention. And at minimum shows somebody is actually doing something.

@Extinction

Helmet is one thing we all agreed in that other thread about crashes. It was a good thing helmets were enforced in the peloton. But still that was done in another era. And not much was done since in regards to safety and apparel. All in all best if we discuss this further over there.

Maybe airbags for around the wrists should become mandatory!

 

[Extinction]

@RedheadDane

Such reports are good for analytics and possible future prevention. And at minimum shows somebody is actually doing something.

@Extinction

Helmet is one thing we all agreed in that other thread about crashes. It was a good thing helmets were enforced in the peloton. But still that was done in another era. And not much was done since in regards to safety and apparel. All in all best if we discuss this further over there.

Well I remember in the US crit scene back in the 80s guys put pads on their hips and shoulders. It did nothing, also because they were usually the guys least cognizant of causes, but made them feel "safer".

 

[CyclistAbi]

Maybe airbags for around the wrists should become mandatory!

Exactly. One more claiming that takes safety seriously. And in safety oriented discussion this is the best we get.

@Extinction

If you are interested we already discussed this same thing here:

Crashes, what can be done?

I feel like cycling is in the dark ages on this. Every one keeps saying 'this can't keep going on like this' but it always does. My sense is that one of the core issues is the riders are basically exploited labour - they're treated like pack fodder so that the show can keep going on...

forum.cyclingnews.com

I agree that "pur pads" offer less protection. That is on why in other sports, for the area you mentioned, they went with an air bag technology. And statistics proved it works. Cycling is currently still stuck in helmets era. We will get there.

 

[Extinction]

Exactly. One more claiming that takes safety seriously. And in safety oriented discussion this is the best we get.

@Extinction

If you are interested we already discussed this same thing here:

Crashes, what can be done?

I feel like cycling is in the dark ages on this. Every one keeps saying 'this can't keep going on like this' but it always does. My sense is that one of the core issues is the riders are basically exploited labour - they're treated like pack fodder so that the show can keep going on...

forum.cyclingnews.com

I agree that "pur pads" offer less protection. That is on why in other sports, for the area you mentioned, they went with an air bag technology. And statistics proved it works. Cycling is currently still stuck in helmets era. We will get there.

Listen, the very first lesson I was given about racing on a bicycle was foremost to stay on your bike, then stay on the front and then try to win. At times it seems the first rule is no longer considered.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogacar out for 4-6 weeks, probably no altitude training in May:

UPDATED: Doctors confirm six-week recovery for Tadej Pogačar after Liège-Bastogne-Liège surgery

Slovenian star undergoes successful surgery, crucial pre-Tour de France altitude camps at question.

www.velonews.com

Not good but it still depends on how quickly it actually heals. He can skip Slovenia and spend the whole June at an altitude. If the preparations turn out to be not enough there's still Vuelta.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Extinction

Exactly. And years later somebody put a helmet on your head. Just to be on the safe side. Anyway. If you are interested in this discussion feel free to drop in in that other thread.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Pogacar out for 4-6 weeks, probably no altitude training in May:

UPDATED: Doctors confirm six-week recovery for Tadej Pogačar after Liège-Bastogne-Liège surgery

Slovenian star undergoes successful surgery, crucial pre-Tour de France altitude camps at question.

www.velonews.com

Not good but it still depends on how quickly it actually heals. He can skip Slovenia and spend the whole June at an altitude. If the preparations turn out to be not enough there's still Vuelta.

Yeah. It's not optimal. Weeks of rehabilitation and discomfort on the bike involved for sure. But lets stay optimistic.

 

[Extinction]

Well, he had no plans to race for the next month and a half

Certainly, but everyone takes on their own risk in classics in light of Grand Tours.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Certainly, but everyone takes on their own risk in classics in light of Grand Tours.

That's cycling. If you want to win you have to race, If you race you can crash. Pog had never crashed out of any race before, which was rare.

 

[Lequack]

That's cycling. If you want to win you have to race, If you race you can crash. Pog had never crashed out of any race before, which was rare.

What about Vingegaard? I don't remember him crashing out of any race.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

What about Vingegaard? I don't remember him crashing out of any race.

Not many people paid attention to him during the 2017 Tour des Fjords, 2018 Giro della Valle d'Aosta or 2019 Tour of Norway. Since then he had DNFed other races, because he didn't have the legs or was sick or whatever reasons were given.

 

[Gratemans]

Things like random potholes on 260k routes aren’t ever going away. Using that as an example of the need for increased safety is not an accurate reflection of what can actually be fixed. Other things sure, better designed finishes and potentially certain other things.

All in all, yeah in an ideal world it would be nice if organisers or local government could check the entire course for potholes. But do you have hands-on experience with the Belgian roads? In general, they're in an abismal state. It's completely unrealistic to expect them to have the course in pristine shape each year.
(no offense meant btw, we have our own problems here with an obscene amount of roundabouts and road-furniture for example.)

Potholes happen, sh*t happens. Let's not get our panties in a twist because this time it was a big name that went down.
The only thing that can actually make me furious regarding safety is the part I bolded in the quote: The finishes on some sprint stages. Those designers at times willfully put cyclists in danger.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Pogacar out for 4-6 weeks, probably no altitude training in May:

UPDATED: Doctors confirm six-week recovery for Tadej Pogačar after Liège-Bastogne-Liège surgery

Slovenian star undergoes successful surgery, crucial pre-Tour de France altitude camps at question.

www.velonews.com

Not good but it still depends on how quickly it actually heals. He can skip Slovenia and spend the whole June at an altitude. If the preparations turn out to be not enough there's still Vuelta.

Bad news. Probably no Tour de France for him. he can't recognize Tour climbs if he will do an alttitude camp in June