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Logic-is-your-friend

Logic-is-your-friend

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So... was this finish too steep for Alaphilippe, regarding the discussion on page 24/25? Because some here thought there would be no way Roglic and Pogacar could finish ahead of Alaphilipe, unless it was too steep. With van Aert doing the leadout up to 2k before the finish, i find it hard to believe that this climb was too steep. Which guys like Dumoulin even said, that the climb was not that steep. Just wondering.
It was in fact so steep, that Roglic reached 52km/h in the sprint. lol

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Logic-is-your-friend said:
So... was this finish too steep for Alaphilippe, regarding the discussion on page 24/25? Because some here thought there would be no way Roglic and Pogacar could finish ahead of Alaphilipe, unless it was too steep. With van Aert doing the leadout up to 2k before the finish, i find it hard to believe that this climb was too steep. Which guys like Dumoulin even said, that the climb was not that steep. Just wondering.
It was in fact so steep, that Roglic reached 52km/h in the sprint. lol

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What are you talking about?
If I remember correctly the talking was about if Roglič and Pogačar could follow Alaphilippe acceleration on Poggio, a 4km climb at 4% after 300km of racing. Today was a sprint after 10km at 6%. Not comparable IMO. Although Ala from last year wins this stage or goes toe to toe with Rogla.
 
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Today was an 8-10 km climb, not really comparable to the Poggio at all. Regardless if the last 500 metres were flat or not
 
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Logic-is-your-friend

Logic-is-your-friend

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johnymax said:
What are you talking about?
If I remember correctly the talking was about if Roglič and Pogačar could follow Alaphilippe acceleration on Poggio, a 4km climb at 4% after 300km of racing. Today was a sprint after 10km at 6%. Not comparable IMO. Although Ala from last year wins this stage or goes toe to toe with Rogla.
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The part where Ala attacked on the Poggio was not 4%, and the race is over 300km.
Today's stage was 160k, the climb was far from the level of being too hard for Alaphilippe. There was still a huge group going into the final 2k.
And the point was about about the accelleration on a shallow climb.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
So... was this finish too steep for Alaphilippe, regarding the discussion on page 24/25? Because some here thought there would be no way Roglic and Pogacar could finish ahead of Alaphilipe, unless it was too steep. With van Aert doing the leadout up to 2k before the finish, i find it hard to believe that this climb was too steep. Which guys like Dumoulin even said, that the climb was not that steep. Just wondering.
It was in fact so steep, that Roglic reached 52km/h in the sprint. lol

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I love that. Alaphilipe is not up to speed which could mean he can't take that intensity and finish it off, yet. He was cracking last year with Pinot and Bernal slugging it out. I don't know if he could show restraint, let the jersey for now saving his team a bit and make the last week his stake for fame?
The uncertainty of a C19 outbreak ending this Tour early has to be nuts for planning a peak.
 
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He is looking in great shape and with his great recovery he has to be one of the biggest contenders now.
 
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Great second place by young Tadej! Overtaking Alalphillipe for the 2nd place and taking over the best young rider's yersey as well.

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Oldermanish said:
I love that. Alaphilipe is not up to speed which could mean he can't take that intensity and finish it off, yet. He was cracking last year with Pinot and Bernal slugging it out. I don't know if he could show restraint, let the jersey for now saving his team a bit and make the last week his stake for fame?
The uncertainty of a C19 outbreak ending this Tour early has to be nuts for planning a peak.
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I don't think Ala is on the same level as he was last year though. But if he can't beat Roglic & Pogacar today, i don't think it's too far fetched to think that either of them might actually be able to keep his wheel on the Poggio. Every race has different conditions and circumstances, so if we can only compare 1:1 results in order to have a discussion then we can just close the forum. I don't think he (Ala) will be able to repeat last year's feat.

Still not seeing a podium for Pogacar, but with a few obvious contenders out of the way, he does seem ripe for a top 5 spot.
 
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After last year's Vuelta, I expect Pogacar to be there fighting for the podium. Don't know if he'll get it or not, but it wouldn't surprise me. I would be surprised if he's not top 5 at the end.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
The part where Ala attacked on the Poggio was not 4%, and the race is over 300km.
Today's stage was 160k, the climb was far from the level of being too hard for Alaphilippe. There was still a huge group going into the final 2k.
And the point was about about the accelleration on a shallow climb.
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You think Alaphilippe didn't win because he's a worse sprinter than the likes of Quintana now?
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
But if he can't beat Roglic & Pogacar today, i don't think it's too far fetched to think that either of them might actually be able to keep his wheel on the Poggio.
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But why didn’t Pogacar do it? He was there in San Remo, he had the chance.

I expect Pogacar to finish in top 5 if he’s not having any crashes.
 
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Eddy Evenepoel said:
But why didn’t Pogacar do it? He was there in San Remo, he had the chance.

I expect Pogacar to finish in top 5 if he’s not having any crashes.
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He has very little experience in riding finals in classics, it was his first second monument. Could easily have spent too much energy in the final, could have been bad positioning or maybe he was banking on others doing the work for him (considering van der Poel, Matthews etc were still in his group). Or maybe he just didn't have the legs that day. But i do think that he has the potential to follow (not necessarily beat) Alaphilippe there.
 
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I had him in 3rd on both my start of season and pre race predictions and nothing I have seen so far has done anything to make me doubt the wisdom of the selection. Aru dropping over 1 minute yesterday will also settle any team leadership questions not that I ever genuinely thought Aru deserved the leadership.
 
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He'll be Evenepoels nemesis in the years to come. Has a good TT, good punch and is a great climber.
 
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Pogacar was barely gifted anything and the last Vuelta and all of it's way undone by the TTT crash anyway.
 
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