Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Elos Anjos]

Courageous 😂 he will win easily, without proper competition against him. Then, he will go to the Tour, without the same pressure.

He's not a coward, but "courageous" is also too much.

He would be courageous if he tried something like paris roubaix, or tour vuelta for the first time, facing vingegaard and even roglic two consecutive times.

He was courageous when he tried tour de flandres. Riding the giro in a year without proper competition against him, is not being courageous, it's being smart, and not getting a third year without winning a grand tour.

After Quintana, Froome and Dumoulin he is the first GT winner to dare and do the double.
That's courage in my book.

Again, you lack proper arguments. He's facing Roglic and Vingegaard with a GT in his legs. According to your standards Pogacar is perhaps the only rider with courage as he's the only one to get out of his comfort zone.

 

[CyclistAbi]

PCS is not a source, they don't have contact with teams or riders. They just add what is reported on social media

Yeah, but usually they are still rather reliable source.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Looking forward to seeing Pog in Pink.

Pink Pogi.

 

[Berniece]

Except for Poggi then.

Poggi is a different beast than Cian imo. There's no real scenario in which I can see Cian win TDF next year

 

[Lequack]

It has arrived! The coffe ride interview with Pogacar, and Matt Stephens!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxjM8k639yQ

 

[Peyroteo94]

People are overestimsting MSR. Doing MSR and Catalunya is not a hard task for a rider like Pogi. MSR is very easy until Cipressa specially for a climber and an endurance rider like Pogi.

 

[Escarabajo]

It’s always a mystery. Bruyneel doesn’t even know how much cash the Astana Kazakhs were paid when he had to redirect his entire GC squad to the giro on short notice

The big difference with the Astana case is that they had no option to go to the Tour. So it was the only decision.

 

[KZD]

I think Catalunya makes more sense than Tirreno to be honest. Its a harder race so given that it is the only one week stage race that Pogi will do this season, it fits quite well.

Not so sure about doing only Strade before MSR but his chance of winning is not that high anyway.

Glad he is doing LBL, hopefully we will have a great battle between Pogačar, Remco, Roglič and maybe Van der Poel.

 

[Froome]

After Quintana, Froome and Dumoulin he is the first GT winner to dare and do the double.
That's courage in my book.

Again, you lack proper arguments. He's facing Roglic and Vingegaard with a GT in his legs. According to your standards Pogacar is perhaps the only rider with courage as he's the only one to get out of his comfort zone.

I will repeat again, because clearly you have some problems of comprehension.

Pogacar was courageous when he tried to win the Tour Flandres, and he was successful.

Pogacar is not courageous by doing giro and the tour. It's not a courageous thing for him, and not even for roglic or vingegaard.

He is not gonna face proper competition on the giro, and like i said, it's a race that suits him well.

After his most probably victory in the Giro, nobody will point his finger to pogacar if he loses the Tour, because he already will be with one GT victory. So, it's not a courageous thing, go to a race that suits him well, without proper competition, and that can be a very good justification for pogacar losing again the Tour. Yes, this time, the Giro will be a fair justification for pogacar not winning the Tour again.


He would be courageous if tried Paris roubaix or other race that doesn't suit him well.....and no, i also don't think vingegaard is a courageous guy, or remco, roglic are courageous guys in terms of what races they will do next year.

 

[Salvarani]

I will repeat again, because clearly you have some problems of comprehension.

Pogacar was courageous when he tried to win the Tour Flandres, and he was successful.

Pogacar is not courageous by doing giro and the tour. It's not a courageous thing for him, and not even for roglic or vingegaard.

He is not gonna face proper competition on the giro, and like i said, it's a race that suits him well.

After his most probably victory in the Giro, nobody will point his finger to pogacar if he loses the Tour, because he already will be with one GT victory. So, it's not a courageous thing, go to a race that suits him well, without proper competition, and that can be a very good justification for pogacar losing again the Tour. Yes, this time, the Giro will be a fair justification for pogacar not winning the Tour again.


He would be courageous if tried Paris roubaix or other race that doesn't suit him well.....and no, i also don't think vingegaard is a courageous guy, or remco, roglic are courageous guys in terms of what races they will do next year.

Not courageous to attempt the double?

Stopped reading after that.

 

[Berniece]

I will repeat again, because clearly you have some problems of comprehension.

Pogacar was courageous when he tried to win the Tour Flandres, and he was successful.

Pogacar is not courageous by doing giro and the tour. It's not a courageous thing for him, and not even for roglic or vingegaard.

He is not gonna face proper competition on the giro, and like i said, it's a race that suits him well.

After his most probably victory in the Giro, nobody will point his finger to pogacar if he loses the Tour, because he already will be with one GT victory. So, it's not a courageous thing, go to a race that suits him well, without proper competition, and that can be a very good justification for pogacar losing again the Tour. Yes, this time, the Giro will be a fair justification for pogacar not winning the Tour again.


He would be courageous if tried Paris roubaix or other race that doesn't suit him well.....and no, i also don't think vingegaard is a courageous guy, or remco, roglic are courageous guys in terms of what races they will do next year.

I agree, it's even ridiculous to think that Pogacar actually believes he can go for the double after how the last 2 TDF went.

 

[Froome]

Not courageous to attempt the double?

Stopped reading after that.

Pogacar knows deep inside that he will not win the Tour if he goes to the Giro. He will not have pressure of winning in the Tour, if he wins the Giro. The pressure will be all on vingegaard and on roglic(because he never won and he is 34).

It's not an attempt. It's a smart choice of somebody that doesn't want a third year without winning a GT. Do you really think he believes so much in winning the double, when he can't win just the Tour?

 

[Froome]

I agree, it's even ridiculous to think that Pogacar actually believes he can go for the double after how the last 2 TDF went.

Trying the double, or being more "courageous" is when you won the Tour in the previous year, and then you will try the double Giro Tour in the following year. It's not pogacar's case.

 

[Elos Anjos]

I will repeat again, because clearly you have some problems of comprehension.

Pogacar was courageous when he tried to win the Tour Flandres, and he was successful.

Pogacar is not courageous by doing giro and the tour. It's not a courageous thing for him, and not even for roglic or vingegaard.

He is not gonna face proper competition on the giro, and like i said, it's a race that suits him well.

After his most probably victory in the Giro, nobody will point his finger to pogacar if he loses the Tour, because he already will be with one GT victory. So, it's not a courageous thing, go to a race that suits him well, without proper competition, and that can be a very good justification for pogacar losing again the Tour. Yes, this time, the Giro will be a fair justification for pogacar not winning the Tour again.


He would be courageous if tried Paris roubaix or other race that doesn't suit him well.....and no, i also don't think vingegaard is a courageous guy, or remco, roglic are courageous guys in terms of what races they will do next year.

In your book courage is tantamount to being stupid. You're saying that Quintana will only be courageous, for instance, if he went to a sprint race and won. Try to think a bit more. Of course riders choose the races they think favour their skills and capabilities. But Pogacar is doing much more than that since he turned PRO and the Giro-Tour double is the latest feature of an approach that had many users and commentators drawing analogies between the past where GT riders were good and even won Classics and Monuments.


Additionaly, you and I don't have access to Pogacar's real intentions so basing an entire line of thought in what you think is the case shreds your whole argument to pieces.

What we know is that UAE will send his top guns to the Tour to support Pogacar. And I think they suspect the Giro can actually be a good training to acquire the base condition that Pogacar's broken wrist prevented him from having.

 

[Vudy]

Pogacar knows deep inside that he will not win the Tour if he goes to the Giro. He will not have pressure of winning in the Tour, if he wins the Giro. The pressure will be all on vingegaard and on roglic(because he never won and he is 34).

It's not an attempt. It's a smart choice of somebody that doesn't want a third year without winning a GT. Do you really think he believes so much in winning the double, when he can't win just the Tour?

Why do you think he knows deep inside he won't win? That's absurd. If he enters the race he wants to win it.

 

[Froome]

In your book courage is tantamount to being stupid. You're saying that Quintana will only be courageous, for instance, if he went to a sprint race and won. Try to think a bit more. Of course riders choose the races they think favour their skills and capabilities. But Pogacar is doing that since he turned PRO.

Additionaly, you and I don't have access to Pogacar's real intentions so basing an entire line of thought in what you think is the case shreds your whole argument to pieces.

What we know is that UAE will send his top guns to the Tour to support Pogacar. And I think they suspect the Giro can actually be a good training to acquire the base condition that Pogacar's broken wrist prevented him from having.

Doing the Giro is always a bad preparation for the Tour, to every rider. If doing the Giro is a good preparation for the Tour, then Visma, Bora, and quick step would have put remco, Vingegaard and roglic in the Giro, in preparation for the Tour. Stop being ingenuous, even if it's a bit hilarious 😂


Emirates suspected in 2023 that it's better for pogacar doing the Giro in preparation for the Tour, this sounds really good.

You are being ingenuous if you don't think that pogacar is doing the Giro to not have a third year without winning a GT. The main focus for him will be winning the Giro, not the Tour, he knows it's to hard to him, to win the Tour, even without doing the Giro, so at least, this time he will win a GT.

It was a smart choice, and it would be a even smart choice pogacar doing Giro and Vuelta.

 

[Froome]

Why do you think he knows deep inside he won't win? That's absurd. If he enters the race he wants to win it.

Top riders enter in every race to win, but if pogacar does the Tour after the Giro, he will be even more cooked in the last week of the Tour. This time he will not lose in one single day 3 or 7 minutes, he will lose even more.
The theory of doing the Giro for a good preparation to the Tour, is a bullsh**, let's be honest. You don't see the the top riders historically doing that, for being at his best in the Tour, because it don't works.
It didn't work for contador, froome, Nibali, for nobody since pantani.

 

[AmRacer]

Doing the Giro is always a bad preparation for the Tour, to every rider. If doing the Giro is a good preparation for the Tour, then Visma, Bora, and quick step would have put remco, Vingegaard and roglic in the Giro, in preparation for the Tour. Stop being ingenuous, even if it's a bit hilarious 😂


Emirates suspected in 2023 that it's better for pogacar doing the Giro in preparation for the Tour, this sounds really good.

You are being ingenuous if you don't think that pogacar is doing the Giro to not have a third year without winning a GT. The main focus for him will be winning the Giro, not the Tour, he knows it's to hard to him, to win the Tour, even without doing the Giro, so at least, this time he will win a GT.

It was a smart choice, and it would be a even smart choice pogacar doing Giro and Vuelta.

Pogs first Tour, was his first and he won it
Second Tour, 'I can do it again', and he did.
Third Tour, 'Three in a row,mmmm', Oops, Jonas was to strong.
Fourth Tour, 'I want revenge', didn't work.
Poggi wants to win every single race. He's first GT was the Vuelta.
So now it's the right time for him to win the Giro. It just make sense.

 

[RedheadDane]

Top riders enter in every race to win, but if pogacar does the Tour after the Giro, he will be even more cooked in the last week of the Tour.

You know what a lot of top riders also tend to want to do? Improve? So, of course he'll want to win the Tour next year, and of course he'll do whatever it takes to not be even more cooked in the last week.

 

[Froome]

Pogs first Tour, was his first and he won it
Second Tour, 'I can do it again', and he did.
Third Tour, 'Three in a row,mmmm', Oops, Jonas was to strong.
Fourth Tour, 'I want revenge', didn't work.
Poggi wants to win every single race. He's first GT was the Vuelta.
So now it's the right time for him to win the Giro. It just make sense.

That's why i think he should do Giro and Vuelta, instead of Giro and Tour.

 

[Froome]

You know what a lot of top riders also tend to want to do? Improve? So, of course he'll want to win the Tour next year, and of course he'll do whatever it takes to not be even more cooked in the last week.

If that it's the case, then doing the Giro is the worst thing to not being cooked in the last week of the Tour.

 

[RedheadDane]

If that it's the case, then doing the Giro is the worst thing to not being cooked in the last week of the Tour.

But he wants to do what hasn't been done since 1998!
You're right, in that from a purely logical PoV it doesn't make a lot of sense, but... that's the cool thing; that he wants to try and achieve the (near) impossible. If every rider only set goals they knew was something that could be done... what would be the fun in that?

 

[Poursuivant]

LR Podcast hinted MVDP and WVA aren’t going to MSR, is this true?

 

[Elos Anjos]

LR Podcast hinted MVDP and WVA aren’t going to MSR, is this true?

Who even listens to LR?

 

[Elos Anjos]

I remember this Froome user during the Tour giving all sorts of predictive outcomes that always failed.