Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Froome]

You sound silly and present no argument whatsoever.

And being ingenious is not "ingénuo" dumb ass.

That's why you don't survive that much in this forum without being banned. You have so poor arguments and because of that, you insult other users with "troll" and "dumb ass". You should reflect on yout behavior. You behave like a kid, but this forum is for people with more than 18 years 😂

P.s- i didn't said ingenious. You can't even read properly kid 😂

 

[Elos Anjos]

That's why you don't survive that much in this forum without being banned. You have so poor arguments and because of that, you insult other users with "troll" and "dumb ass". You should reflect on yout behavior. You behave like a kid, but this forum is for people with more than 18 years 😂

I'm sure you're pretty clever but it's not really what you meant: ingenious is not naif.

Anyway, you always write as you are inside the mind of Pogacar and Vingegaard. That's not how it works.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

That's why you don't survive that much in this forum without being banned. You have so poor arguments and because of that, you insult other users with "troll" and "dumb ass". You should reflect on yout behavior. You behave like a kid, but this forum is for people with more than 18 years 😂

P.s- i didn't said ingenious. You can't even read properly kid 😂

Where does it state that this forum is 18+?

Anyway, guys, I don‘t believe Pogačar can win the Tour after riding the Giro but you don‘t win if you don‘t try and Pogačar isn‘t going to sacrifice as many other opportunities to win the Tour as Vingegaard does. That isn‘t brave or whatever, he can even do the Tour with less pressure, it‘s just what Pogačar wants to do.

 

[Pantani_lives]

He does the Giro because he wants to, and the Tour because he has to.

 

[Berniece]

He said he wanted to do the Giro, because he doesn't want to do the same season every year over and over again. He needs to be triggered. That's why he's doing this. He's not going for the double, he just wants to do something new

 

[Froome]

I'm sure you're pretty clever but it's not really what you meant: ingenious is not naif.

Anyway, you always write as you are inside the mind of Pogacar and Vingegaard. That's not how it works.

I'm going to write again, i didn't said "ingenious".

 

[Sciatic]

LR Podcast hinted MVDP and WVA aren’t going to MSR, is this true?

That would be strange. I don’t know why any rider suited to that race would skip it unless they simply don’t want to fly to Italy for one race. It doesn’t really take special prep in the way that RvV or PR do, and even if not on 100% form, there always the chance (though hasn’t happened in recent editions) of a sizeable group coming back together after the Poggio for reduced group sprint. Then it’s a crapshoot of who has the legs that day.

 

[scribers]

Courageous 😂 he will win easily, without proper competition against him. Then, he will go to the Tour, without the same pressure.

He's not a coward, but "courageous" is also too much.

He would be courageous if he tried something like paris roubaix, or tour vuelta for the first time, facing vingegaard and even roglic two consecutive times.

He was courageous when he tried tour de flandres. Riding the giro in a year without proper competition against him, is not being courageous, it's being smart, and not getting a third year without winning a grand tour.

Courageous is riding the giro when his main ambition is actually le tour

 

[Froome]

Where does it state that this forum is 18+?

Anyway, guys, I don‘t believe Pogačar can win the Tour after riding the Giro but you don‘t win if you don‘t try and Pogačar isn‘t going to sacrifice as many other opportunities to win the Tour as Vingegaard does. That isn‘t brave or whatever, he can even do the Tour with less pressure, it‘s just what Pogačar wants to do.

Like they already said here, he will do the Tour because he has to. He knows that it's almost impossible to win the Tour with giro in his legs, but the sponsors require that he goes to the Tour.

 

[scribers]

Why do you think he knows deep inside he won't win? That's absurd. If he enters the race he wants to win it.

The realization of his absurdity is not going to curtail his fantasies

 

[Netserk]

He does the Giro because he wants to, and the Tour because he has to.

It's sad that the defending winner doesn't want to ride De Ronde.

 

[Froome]

Courageous is riding the giro when his main ambition is actually le tour

That's not the case for pogacar in 2024, his main ambition is the Giro. Of course he is not gonna tell that in the interviews.
If the main ambition is the Tour, you do the proper preparation for that race, and proper preparation is not going to the Giro.

 

[scribers]

LR Podcast hinted MVDP and WVA aren’t going to MSR, is this true?

They also daftly dismissed pogi at the giro. Why even do a UAE preview show when they should have known the team announces rider programmes like a week later?

 

[scribers]

Who even listens to LR?

I try to listen to every one and really enjoy the live chat straight after a race

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

It has arrived! The coffe ride interview with Pogacar, and Matt Stephens!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxjM8k639yQ

Very, very charming!

Favourite parts: all the food (Slovenian eggs, dried persimmons, the scones that didn't rise), the fan leaning his bike incorrectly (frame against bricks/mortar) and Stephens taking the sprint.

Also confirmed that Pogačar was a bit sick in Il Lombardia; Swedish commentators thought he might have been.

 

[scribers]

That's not the case for pogacar in 2024, his main ambition is the Giro. Of course he is not gonna tell that in the interviews.
If the main ambition is the Tour, you do the proper preparation for that race, and proper preparation is not going to the Giro.

His main ambition is not the giro. No where has this been declared. Don’t fall for the RCS marketing scheme as to a riders state of mind. You can rise to the occasion here. I believe in you

 

[Berniece]

That would be strange. I don’t know why any rider suited to that race would skip it unless they simply don’t want to fly to Italy for one race. It doesn’t really take special prep in the way that RvV or PR do, and even if not on 100% form, there always the chance (though hasn’t happened in recent editions) of a sizeable group coming back together after the Poggio for reduced group sprint. Then it’s a crapshoot of who has the legs that day.

Because they might be at altitude? I understood that WVA is going to ride way less, isn't doing races like De Omloop, so he might be at altitude.

 

[scribers]

It's sad that the defending winner doesn't want to ride De Ronde.

Once you win it. To not return is as good as winning it again.

That said. I see a future where pog’s main ambition is a full spring classics campaign. All of them. All of the monuments. Plus worlds. And maybe the vuelta

 

[Froome]

His main ambition is not the giro. No where has this been declared. Don’t fall for the RCS marketing scheme as to a riders state of mind. You can rise to the occasion here. I believe in you

Pogacar's calendar doesn't tell that the Tour is his main goal.

When you see the calendar of remco, Vingegaard and roglic for next year, you know the main goal for them is the Tour.

 

[scribers]

Pogacar's calendar doesn't tell that the Tour is his main goal.

When you see the calendar of remco, Vingegaard and roglic for next year, you know the main goal for them is the Tour.

Pog doesn’t have to. He’s easily a top contender in spite of his programme

 

[CyclistAbi]

I read an interview with Zeeman, on where he states, no way Jonas is doing Giro in 2024. And on top of that is rather sceptical about Jonas saying he might do a GT triple at some point. But in the end, considering how praised Jonas is ATM. In regards to GT racing. Jonas hasn't won Giro or Vuelta either.

As for Pogi selecting Giro-Tour double and on top of that targeting Worlds. If he can pull it off, not even counting the results at monuments and other stage races, then he is official Merckx successor.

So on who is more naive or is carrying a bigger set? It depends. On results. As that is on what most people will judge this move. To do a Giro-Tour double.

 

[Froome]

Pog doesn’t have to. He’s easily a top contender in spite of his programme

Being a top contender it's different from being at your best in your main goal of the season. If he does the Giro, he will not be at his best in the Tour/ his main goal as you said it.

Normally when a rider selects his main goal, he goes to that goal in his peak shape.

 

[proffate]

I think this is an ideal year to attempt the double given the relatively calm parcours at the giro and lack of stiff competition anticipated there. Pog doesn't need two real peaks, he just needs one good one for the tour. The presence of Rog and Remco could even help him at the tour as he'll have more allies of circumstance when Ving attacks, and/or more reasons for Ving to be cautious chasing Pog's attacks.

The double is rarer than racking up lots of tour wins. And given that he's already won the tour twice, number three is lower value for him than Rog or Remco. So why wouldn't a legend attempt it?

Ving has already committed to being the next guy who just wins the tour a bunch of times so of course he has to keep doing that.

Therefore, every rider's schedule makes sense to me.

 

[Cookster15]

So, lets assume he is targeting the Giro to do something new. Two questions:

1. Does anyone seriously think he won't win the Giro?
2. Assuming he wins the Giro, what can we expect of him in the TdF? How will he climb on stage 4 to Valloire?

 

[Monsi]

LR Podcast hinted MVDP and WVA aren’t going to MSR, is this true?

This is also what I have been reading but obviously, there's no confirmation just yet. But if both MVDP and Wout indeed do not go to MSR, then the pressure is on Pog to finally get that MSR title and win his 4th different Monument.