Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Eddy Evenepoel]

best grand tour selection: Bjerg (Pollit), Domen Novak (Pogi assistant, water bottles, gels, protection from the wind), Wellens (Pogi man for mild and explosive hills), Morgado (for covering the escape in the initial 50km on medium hills), Majka (road captain Pogi, the most important man for the atmosphere in the team and for the 1st tow on the hills), Del Toro (the tow of more serious attacks 2-3 tiers-Hindley, Kuss), Yates (the last man for big hills), Pogi..... ..everyone else is either not good enough or brings a problem to the team

This team selection is very far away from the team Pogi will have with him in France. Del Toro and Morgado are too young, no chance of them being at the Tour this year, and Novak barely raced with Pogi last year (Paris-Nice and San Remo the only races?) and is scheduled for the Giro, so not going to the Tour either.

What’s wrong with a guy like McNulty btw? He was pretty damn good in the Tour’22, and seems to ride well with Pogacar.

 

[iBanesto]

For Sanremo, I will even post the Oppenheimer .gif. Other riders will literally blow up if they stay too close to Pogi when he detonates!

 

[Red Rick]

Real ciclismo right there

 

[Miha81]

I remember this moment. Commentator was so busy with the attack that he spotted this detail only after slow motion was released.

 

[mou]

the answer to everyone who doesn't understand the point, Pogi is better than Vingegard in everything and recovery on the grand tour, classics, he has a better sprint, the only reason Vingegard beats Pogi on the Tour for the last 2 years is because Vingegard has a perfect training plan, perfect nutritionists and they focus on the smallest details, while Pogačar was trained for the last 5 years by the biggest fraudster among the elite coaches, Inigo San Millan, do you know that only this year Pogi started using Core and heat training WTF, that only this year he had a perfect winter with the right program and coach Sola, who is a top expert, do you know that the pace this year on the Strade Bianche from the beginning of the race leading to the Sante Marie sector was 30% higher compared to 2022 and that Pogi was better by 2 minutes compared to 2022 from the moment attacks to the end of the sector and he attacked in an approximate place despite a 30% harder race, this Pogacar has nothing to do with the one of the last 5 years and I can assure you that Vingegard has no chance in all the races on the calendar against Pogacar except for the tour where he will be 65: 35 in favor of Pogi, his 2 weaknesses so far have been heat and altitude hills, but only because he has not been adequately trained until this year, the San Millan clown wore him out at the altitude camp before the tour, so that the heat and fatigue from the hard camp in 3 week tired and now there won't be any more, Pogi will have an even better recovery in the 3rd week than Vingo, I repeat you have never seen anything like this before and everyone will have questions over their heads regarding Pogacar, starting with giro 😉😉😅😅😅

 

[scribers]

Goddam I’m so pumped up right now I’m about to run out into the backyard and punt the neighbors dog!!

 

[Netserk]

the answer to everyone who doesn't understand the point, Pogi is better than Vingegard in everything and recovery on the grand tour,

Yeah, I'm sure you can deduce that from his winter training.

The mere mortal I am, I prefer to judge based on what I see on the road.

 

[ppanther92]

the answer to everyone who doesn't understand the point, Pogi is better than Vingegard in everything and recovery on the grand tour

Look, you called me a troll the last time by only stating that Pogacar will not be the favourite for this year's Tour either because he already had no chance the last two years against July Vingegaard (I know there was a story each year that might explain parts but this year there is an equal story if not a bigger - the Giro in his legs). And other than the Tour we don't really have comparison points on GT recovery between the two. Its not even that Pogacar is bad in that sense (showed this against Roglic or in his first Vuelta) but Vingegaard turns into a monster that wins an ITT with 3 minutes over van Aert. I just can't see Pogacar overcoming this with a Giro in his legs. If he does, astounding and an all-time great performance. But I can't see it. I do, myself, buy into the heat argument as well but there I just wonder if thats really trainable at all.

 

[JosefK]

Emotions have curiously turned 180 degrees for some fans regarding the indomitable Pog and his rivalry with Vingo. After the last two years, it is Vingegaard who is now regarded as an unbeatable robot and Pogi as the underdog. I've been concerned that Pog's doing the Giro will put too much mileage into his legs when July comes around ... but maybe I'm wrong (hoping). That performance at Strade Bianche was a proper thermo-nuke strike.

 

[ppanther92]

After the last two years, it is Vingegaard who is now regarded as an unbeatable robot and Pogi as the underdog.

Well, at the Tour. Pogacar is undisputably the overall better cyclist.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Emotions have curiously turned 180 degrees for some fans regarding the indomitable Pog and his rivalry with Vingo. After the last two years, it is Vingegaard who is now regarded as an unbeatable robot and Pogi as the underdog. I've been concerned that Pog's doing the Giro will put too much mileage into his legs when July comes around ... but maybe I'm wrong (hoping). That performance at Strade Bianche was a proper thermo-nuke strike.

Mou has already told us how it really is vwpe style, so I think people will come around and start believing in Pogi again.

 

[Cassirer]

Emotions have curiously turned 180 degrees for some fans regarding the indomitable Pog and his rivalry with Vingo. After the last two years, it is Vingegaard who is now regarded as an unbeatable robot and Pogi as the underdog. I've been concerned that Pog's doing the Giro will put too much mileage into his legs when July comes around ... but maybe I'm wrong (hoping). That performance at Strade Bianche was a proper thermo-nuke strike.

Tour will probably be Jorgenson vs del Toro anyway, though.

 

[mou]

the difference between Pogacar 2019-2023 and Pogacar 2024 is like the difference between Movistar Jorgensen and Visma Jorgensen, I hope that there is someone here who finally understands what awaits Vingegard and that properly done heat training really helps in mastering tolerance and performance in high heat and that proper training altitude means a lot, and until now Pogacar with the clown and fraudster San Millan had neither of those two, that's why it always seemed to everyone that spring Pogačar was better than Tour Pogačar, which is not true at all, and the whole world will see that this year at the Tour

 

[tobydawq]

the difference between Pogacar 2019-2023 and Pogacar 2024 is like the difference between Movistar Jorgensen and Visma Jorgensen, I hope that there is someone here who finally understands what awaits Vingegard and that properly done heat training really helps in mastering tolerance and performance in high heat and that proper training altitude means a lot, and until now Pogacar with the clown and fraudster San Millan had neither of those two, that's why it always seemed to everyone that spring Pogačar was better than Tour Pogačar, which is not true at all, and the whole world will see that this year at the Tour

Sounds great.

 

[SHAD0W93]

This will either be the most epic prediction or biggest let down come the Tours end. Hopefully no one crashes.

 

[Froome]

Yeah, I'm sure you can deduce that from his winter training.

The mere mortal I am, I prefer to judge based on what I see on the road.

He can even deduce that San millan is a charlatan and a fraud.

 

[mou]

Pogačar base 2024 is Pogačar's peek at Flanders 2023, Pogačar TT is currently at the level of Remco, Pogačar, whom you will soon see at the Giro and Tour, will no longer have problems with the heat that simply drains him day by day, that Vingo has a better recovery than Pog is the biggest misconception, we saw it last year at Paris-Nice hehehe, as the stages went by, Pogi was more dominant and in the last stage he had 7 w/kg for 15 min at the end of the stage, remove the factor of great heat and no one in the history of cycling has and will not have better recovery than Pogacar, no one will ever leave Pogacar on the hill from today, not even a fisherman, but blessed are those who do not see but believe

 

[mou]

He can even deduce that San millan is a charlatan and a fraud.

Yes,100%

 

[ppanther92]

Yes,100%

I might missed it - who is the new coach then and what was wrong about San Millan? In media he got quite some credit for his Zone 2 approach with Pogacar.

 

[Vudy]

I might missed it - who is the new coach then and what was wrong about San Millan? In media he got quite some credit for his Zone 2 approach with Pogacar.

Javier Sola is the new coach now.

 

[mou]

He can even deduce that San millan is a charlatan and a fraud.

The relationship between San Millan and Pogačar cooled down when a training plan had to be made after the fall in Liege, San Millan was struggling, told him to do the same things as before, while Tadej wanted an alternative training plan because he was 20 days behind in training due to the fall and then Pogačar finally understood everything and unfollowed him from Instagram after the Tour, after that he talked to Domen Novak, with whom he has a good relationship, and who praised Sola as the best coach he had worked with and recommended him, which Tadej accepted, all of whom San Millan trains stagnate and do not give performance considering the talent and this Pogacar from 2024 had winter (base training) for the first time in his life at the level of Visma and we see the result of that on Strade Bianche and this Pog from Strade is at 85%, or I have to prove to you again that I have his training plan for the Giro and Tour, if necessary I will set it up again 😉😉😉

 

[Froome]

The relationship between San Millan and Pogačar cooled down when a training plan had to be made after the fall in Liege, San Millan was struggling, told him to do the same things as before, while Tadej wanted an alternative training plan because he was 20 days behind in training due to the fall and then Pogačar finally understood everything and unfollowed him from Instagram after the Tour, after that he talked to Domen Novak, with whom he has a good relationship, and who praised Sola as the best coach he had worked with and recommended him, which Tadej accepted, all of whom San Millan trains stagnate and do not give performance considering the talent and this Pogacar from 2024 had winter (base training) for the first time in his life at the level of Visma and we see the result of that on Strade Bianche and this Pog from Strade is at 85%, or I have to prove to you again that I have his training plan for the Giro and Tour, if necessary I will set it up again 😉😉😉

Now seriously, are you Pogacar or Urska?

Pogi, i already told you, 7 w/kg is not enough.

 

[AmRacer]

Pogačar TT is currently at the level of Remco

Nah, don't think so.

 

[mou]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1762613342944792598

View: https://x.com/mou55981652/status/1762613342944792598?s=20

Just look at how much Pog's basic training normalized power-349w, which he can hold for hours, is 5.33w/kg, and how much it was from the attack on Strade until the end of the stage 360w 5.5w/kg, that's why you saw a fresh Pogi at the finish line and all the others dead because if we exclude his attack and a slightly stronger pace that lasted about 15 minutes, everything else for him was a slightly stronger base zone 2 training, so now you believe in whatever you want

 

[mou]

Nah, don't think so.

You will see at Giro😅