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Monsi

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Cycling111 said:
We already saw it at the UAE Tour.
A straighter back.
There wasn't much improvement. The first ITT of the last Tour was really good.
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It’s one ITT though at the very start of a long season. Gotta wait for more samples before saying if there’s improvements or not. We’ll see how Pog performs in the time trials at the Dauphine and Tour where he’s at right around peak shape.
 
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YavorD

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Froome said:
Kuss and Jorgenson will be at a higher level than Yates.
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Yates is (and has always been) capable of amazing climbing performances.
Overall Jorgenson may be on a higher overall level than Yates, but Yates is certainly capable of producing climbing performances that destroy the whole peloton (including Jorgenson and Almeida, whom as we know, doesn't like to go in the red) once or twice in the Tour.
 
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YavorD said:
Yates is (and has always been) capable of amazing climbing performances.
Overall Jorgenson may be on a higher overall level than Yates, but Yates is certainly capable of producing climbing performances that destroy the whole peloton (including Jorgenson and Almeida, whom as we know, doesn't like to go in the red) once or twice in the Tour.
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That's why i think is good news the perfomance Yates did, but also what WVA did.

Yates will be the fourth guy from Visma in the Tour, and the plan will probably be to destroy the peloton very soon in the mountain stages.

New things can be done, like in the stage of Superbagneres where we have the combo tourmalet-aspin-peyresourde-superbagneres, where Visma train can destroy the peloton very soon on Tourmalet, and just let letf in the top a GC group (besides Vingegaard, yates, kuss, Jorgenson), of 15/20 riders at best, where probably Emirates will only have pogacar, almeida and maybe sivakov.
 
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Froome said:
Yates will be the fourth guy from Visma in the Tour, and the plan will probably be to destroy the peloton very soon in the mountain stages.
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My point is, if Yates is capable of insane performances, like the one on Finestre, he will possibly/likely drop Kuss and Jorgenson as well.
So it's not very wise to keep him as a fourth guy.
You can perfectly well use him as a last guy sometimes.


The smartest thing Visma could do is Sky-like change of the main helpers.
 
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there's a new strava file from almeida and it's absolutely impressive, he took the KOM by minutes on El purche (6.4 km at 9.6%), he did a VAM of 1951, for 18min and 24sec. This is probably higher than 7 w/kg. In the same ride (where he did more than 4000 meters of elevation in total) he also took the kom on pico veleta (altough this is difficult to judge because the other times in the top 10 are not from top riders in top races)
 
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rafa92 said:
there's a new strava file from almeida and it's absolutely impressive, he took the KOM by minutes on El purche (6.4 km at 9.6%), he did a VAM of 1951, for 18min and 24sec. This is probably higher than 7 w/kg. In the same ride (where he did more than 4000 meters of elevation in total) he also took the kom on pico veleta (altough this is difficult to judge because the other times in the top 10 are not from top riders in top races)
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Great performance but he did a similar VAM in TdS last year (for ~ 20 minutes). If he did this after a long, exhausting ride then it's more impressive.
 
Krzysztof_O

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rafa92 said:
well in this ride this was his first effort, but after that he did another big effort on pico veleta, the ride was very hard overall
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So still a fresh effort, very likely a simulation of racing conditions (going a bloc) followed by a long training ride.
 
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Krzysztof_O said:
So still a fresh effort, very likely a simulation of racing conditions (going a bloc) followed by a long training ride.
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not on pico veleta. Anyway we'll see but I have the impression that also almeida has made a step and he might be the 3rd strongest climber in the tour
 
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Froome said:
That's why i think is good news the perfomance Yates did, but also what WVA did.

Yates will be the fourth guy from Visma in the Tour, and the plan will probably be to destroy the peloton very soon in the mountain stages.

New things can be done, like in the stage of Superbagneres where we have the combo tourmalet-aspin-peyresourde-superbagneres, where Visma train can destroy the peloton very soon on Tourmalet, and just let letf in the top a GC group (besides Vingegaard, yates, kuss, Jorgenson), of 15/20 riders at best, where probably Emirates will only have pogacar, almeida and maybe sivakov.
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I'll be watching on the Col d'Aspin for that stage so would love if things get shredded on the Tourmalet and we get to see a reduced GC group come through.
 
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It's the same people arguing that Evenepoel could win Liège, Flèche, WC etetc or even finish within 30 seconds in Liège which I said would be extremely shocking due to the difference in numbers, basic stuff.

Same people, different day, same debate based on wishful thinking every race last 14months—like clockwork, before every race. I get it, and there's nothing wrong with that either, hope is good, but at some point, Pogacar's ridiculous strength and numbers since entire -24 and now and the sheer numbers behind what he's doing and does in every race now should sink in to some degree, especially for those watching every race under the sun.

Hes obviously in a different stratosphere. All I ever go by and care about are basic various numbers. That's all that matters. Numbers never lie, emotions always do.
 
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James M said:
It's the same people arguing that Evenepoel could win Liège, Flèche, WC etetc or even finish within 30 seconds in Liège which I said would be extremely shocking due to the difference in numbers, basic stuff.

Same people, different day, same debate based on wishful thinking every race last 14months—like clockwork, before every race. I get it, and there's nothing wrong with that either, hope is good, but at some point, Pogacar's ridiculous strength and numbers since entire -24 and now and the sheer numbers behind what he's doing and does in every race now should sink in to some degree, especially for those watching every race under the sun.

Hes obviously in a different stratosphere. All I ever go by and care about are basic various numbers. That's all that matters. Numbers never lie, emotions always do.
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But we don't really have a comparable set of data for Vingegaard. 2024 isn't hugely helpful because his Tour prep was atrocious, and this year the concussion has meant that we haven't really seen him very much. I agree with you in theory but in practice I think Vingegaard is a bit of an unknown quantity for the 2025 Tour - none of us really have an idea as to how good he will be. If I was UAE I would assume he'll be amazing, then at least you won't be caught napping if he really is in outstanding form at the Tour.
 
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Lorzenz08 said:
D-7 before the next POGGENHEIMER launch.
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Lets see his last 10-11 races(UAE tour not worthy its training camp) He almost redefines modern cycling norms in every race he touches simply by the way he races them now. Lets run down his last 9-11 races only.

MSR was redefined how it was ridden in modern age, due to his ridiculous pure wattage display by going at Cipressa. In Fleche, he won by the biggest margin of all time when the riders came together at Mur de Huy, seemingly unbothered.

At Roubaix, he managed to beat every powerhouse in the world except MVDP on pure flat cobbles, finishing second despite a crash(still wouldnt win), something unheard of in modern times too at Roubaix, considering he's the best climber of all time.

The WC last year weren’t long ago and within the timespan, 90-100 km attack.. Lombardia slaughter margin followed. The Giro-Tour double was also unprecedented in modern times, and this is, what, only his last 9-10 worthy races? With RVV, AGR, and Liège in between. Haters will say you have to be a fan to say this, yet these are literally just the results—and in how they were achieved.. By modern cycling norms, most of these races redefines modern cycling. I expect he gets his 100 by end of Dauphine.
 
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