Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Peyroteo94]

Vingegaard and Pogacar are close to peak shape already. A shame we don't have a serious MTF to see a 7 w/kg performance

 

[Mayomaniac]

Vingegaard and Pogacar are close to peak shape already. A shame we don't have a serious MTF to see a 7 w/kg performance

I hope Vingegaard sandbags/rides for Son Jorge for the memes.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yes. Visma is bringing their full armada. On the other hand, UAE clearly misses his world class mountain domestiques. Things might become interesting in stage 7.

Teddy will try to use Visma-LAB guys like his own doms then (like on PdB) unless Vingo is too strong.

 

[Netserk]

Jonas prepares the Tour very differently in Sierra Nevada. Pogacar does 18 days only (even if he came back for another 7 days block). I think Vingegaard will be the full month on Sierra.

I think the altitude camp was from May 10 to May 28. He has trained around his (secondary) house in Annecy since then.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He looks very thin. Probably 2 kg lighter than his spring body.

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[Cycling111]

He looks very thin. Probably 2 kg lighter than his spring body.

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In the images from the Monaco GP, he looked extremely thin.
I think he's thinner than last year. Or maybe it's the contrast to his physique in the Classics.
Last year, since he didn't do Flanders, maybe he was thinner from the start.
But to me, he looks thinner than ever.

 

[Lorzenz08]

I think nobody wants to show all their cards in Dauphine. It would be foolish to do so.

I think this is exactly why it will be a bloodbath. There will be limited tactical moves by the teams. It will be a raw battle

 

[Krzysztof_O]

In the images from the Monaco GP, he looked extremely thin.
I think he's thinner than last year. Or maybe it's the contrast to his physique in the Classics.
Last year, since he didn't do Flanders, maybe he was thinner from the start.
But to me, he looks thinner than ever.

Yes, last year he was thinner in the spring with full focus on stage racing. This year probably around 67 kg during cobbled races.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Yes, last year he was thinner in the spring with full focus on stage racing. This year probably around 67 kg during cobbled races.

But he looks so thin. Similar to his body in Tour 2024.

 

[Rou]

Remco lighter, Vingegaard feeling better than ever, Pogacar thinner than ever. The blockbuster saga '' Clash of the Titans'' is approaching.
Episode 1: This Sunday at your local provider. Don't forget popcorn and tissues to wipe your tears.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Remco lighter, Vingegaard feeling better than ever, Pogacar thinner than ever. The blockbuster saga '' Clash of the Titans'' is approaching.
Episode 1: This Sunday at your local provider. Don't forget popcorn and tissues to wipe your tears.

Remco will be a spectator like us. We on TV, him on the road 300m behind.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Remco lighter, Vingegaard feeling better than ever, Pogacar thinner than ever. The blockbuster saga '' Clash of the Titans'' is approaching.
Episode 1: This Sunday at your local provider. Don't forget popcorn and tissues to wipe your tears.

...and the blockbuster may end on a roadside during some flat stage...

 

[Cycling111]

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[rafa92]

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it looks like he's doing an all out effort

 

[Peyroteo94]

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Where is this?

 

[Cycling111]

Where is this?

Sierra nevada.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Sierra nevada.

I know but what climb?

 

[Cycling111]

I know but what climb?

I don´t know.

 

[Cookster15]

Don't forget popcorn and tissues to wipe your tears

I won't be reading much into what happens. A reminder that this happened in 2023 and Pogi was still destroyed in July:-

Paris - Nice 2023 Stage 4 results

Paris - Nice 2023 Stage 4 from Saint-Amand-Montrond to La Loge des Gardes was won by Tadej PogaÄar before David Gaudu and Gino Mäder. Tadej PogaÄar was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

Sure this was early March and Pogi broke his wrist at LBL in April but..

The riders and teams can say what they want but the Dauphiné is in realty just a prep race. If you lose in July nobody will care if you won a 1 week stage race in June. Its been this way since Armstrong's time.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I won't be reading much into what happens. A reminder that this happened in 2023 and Pogi was still destroyed in July:-

Paris - Nice 2023 Stage 4 results

Paris - Nice 2023 Stage 4 from Saint-Amand-Montrond to La Loge des Gardes was won by Tadej PogaÄar before David Gaudu and Gino Mäder. Tadej PogaÄar was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

Sure this was early March and Pogi broke his wrist at LBL in April but..

The riders and teams can say what they want but the Dauphiné is in realty just a prep race. If you lose in July nobody will care if you won a 1 week stage race in June. Its been this way since Armstrong's time.

He didn't have the best preparation. In fact I still think 2023 showed Pogacar has the edge against Vingegaard from what I saw in the first 2 weeks. Something I didn't see in 2022, Vingegaard never looked in real trouble in following Pogacar.

 

[Cookster15]

He didn't have the best preparation. In fact I still think 2023 showed Pogacar has the edge against Vingegaard from what I saw in the first 2 weeks. Something I didn't see in 2022, Vingegaard never looked in real trouble in following Pogacar.

Assume you are referring to the 2022 and 2023 Tour. Today we are discussing because the Dauphiné is about to start and we get a sneak preview of their form head to head.

2023 Tour I generally agree. I think it was loss of preparation time that saw Pogacar collapse on Loze. The day before he emptied himself on the Combloux TT trying to minimize the gap to Vingegaard. He did not recover in time from that effort.

2022 Pogacar tried responding to attacks both Vingegaard and Roglic on Granon and blew - losing nearly 3 minutes. He never recovered the rest of that Tour. He spent huge energy trying to recover that lost time attacking every mountain - beginning on the Alpe the following day. Then WvA did that incredible ride on the Hautacam stage.

But 2024 Pogacar was a different beast. If that Pogacar turned up in 2022 and 2023 the data says Vingegaard couldn't beat him then.

On that 2023 P-N stage I linked Pogacar rode away from Vingegaard on the climb. Lots of people, me included, got excited prematurely. Yes, it can be put down to the point in the season. I think all it proves is Pogacar can maintain a high level for most of the season. Vingegaard has to peak to get to his best. Jonas will be at his best next month and I won't be reading much into who wins the Dauphiné.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Assume you are referring to the 2022 and 2023 Tour. Today we are discussing because the Dauphiné is about to start and we get a sneak preview of their form head to head.

2023 Tour I generally agree. I think it was loss of preparation time that saw Pogacar collapse on Loze. The day before he emptied himself on the Combloux TT trying to minimize the gap to Vingegaard. He did not recover in time from that effort.

2022 Pogacar tried responding to attacks both Vingegaard and Roglic on Granon and blew - losing nearly 3 minutes. He never recovered the rest of that Tour. He spent huge energy trying to recover that lost time attacking every mountain - beginning on the Alpe the following day. Then WvA did that incredible ride on the Hautacam stage.

But 2024 Pogacar was a different beast. If that Pogacar turned up in 2022 and 2023 the data says Vingegaard couldn't beat him then.

On that 2023 P-N stage I linked Pogacar rode away from Vingegaard on the climb. Lots of people, me included, got excited prematurely. Yes, it can be put down to the point in the season. I think all it proves is Pogacar can maintain a high level for most of the season. Vingegaard has to peak to get to his best. Jonas will be at his best next month and I won't be reading much into who wins the Dauphiné.

Vingegaard is close to his peak in Dauphiné. Unfortunately for us, we don't have a great route here and Pogacar is the clear favorite.

 

[Cycling111]

I won't be reading much into what happens. A reminder that this happened in 2023 and Pogi was still destroyed in July:-

Paris - Nice 2023 Stage 4 results

Paris - Nice 2023 Stage 4 from Saint-Amand-Montrond to La Loge des Gardes was won by Tadej PogaÄar before David Gaudu and Gino Mäder. Tadej PogaÄar was leading the general classification.

www.procyclingstats.com

Sure this was early March and Pogi broke his wrist at LBL in April but..

The riders and teams can say what they want but the Dauphiné is in realty just a prep race. If you lose in July nobody will care if you won a 1 week stage race in June. Its been this way since Armstrong's time.

Vingegaard has won Daupinhé, and he didn't win another time because he let Roglic beat him.
It's a preparatory race, but Vingegaard always arrives in great shape.

Without Pogacar Vingegaard wouldn´t have finished behind Gaudu in Paris-Nice, he would´ve won it like he won Itzulia, which was his next race, or like he won Tirreno the following year.

In any case, Vingegaard's results and performance at the Dauphiné speak for themselves. He always arrives in great shape before the Tour.


2023

1	VINGEGAARD Jonas	Jumbo-Visma	29:28:39
2	YATES Adam	UAE Team Emirates	2:23

2022.
He did what Froome did to Wiggins, he was stronger than Roglic in that Dauphiné but he respected the hierarchy.

1	ROGLIC Primož	Jumbo-Visma	29:11:22
2	VINGEGAARD Jonas	Jumbo-Visma	0:40

 

[YavorD]

Vingegaard is close to his peak in Dauphiné. Unfortunately for us, we don't a great route here and Pogacar is the clear favorite.

Exactly.
If Pogacar, however, loses in Dauphiné, I would be slightly worried about his Tour chances.

 

[Froome]

Assume you are referring to the 2022 and 2023 Tour. Today we are discussing because the Dauphiné is about to start and we get a sneak preview of their form head to head.

2023 Tour I generally agree. I think it was loss of preparation time that saw Pogacar collapse on Loze. The day before he emptied himself on the Combloux TT trying to minimize the gap to Vingegaard. He did not recover in time from that effort.

Vingegaard 2024 had a worse preparation for the Tour, than Pogacar 2024, and yet Vingegaard never faded like pogacar on la loze, and finished more closer in GC, than pogacar in 2023.

You can also take conclusions from this fact.

Nevertheless, pogacar arrived in the Tour 2023 without any physical problems.

Vingegaard arrived in the Tour 2024 with 56/57 kg, less than his optimal weight, because he was in a bed of hospital 15 days, losing a lot of muscle mass, something he never recovered until the Tour 2024, and that is really really tough and disadvantageous.