Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Salvarani]

There is only a big 3.

 

[Vudy]

Attacking from Cipressa from a whole bunch which can organise itself on the following ten kilometer stretch is not the same as attacking on Oude Kwaremont where most riders are already on the limit.

UAE would need an insane tempo up Cipressa. Then full gas to Poggio and Pog sprinting up already at the base. Even then I don't think it would be enough to drop MVDP. He needs luck.

 

[tobydawq]

UAE would need an insane tempo up Cipressa. Then full gas to Poggio and Pog sprinting up already at the base. Even then I don't think it would be enough to drop MVDP. He needs luck.

Yep, you always need luck to win Sanremo.

 

[Berniece]

Attacking from Cipressa from a whole bunch which can organise itself on the following ten kilometer stretch is not the same as attacking on Oude Kwaremont where most riders are already on the limit.

I get that, but based on how good he supposedly is he should be able to hold them off.

 

[mou]

Pog's greatest strength is that he is not tired when others are dead and he then attacks, but for such a thing he must have a team or other teams that will make the race difficult from the very start ala Flanders, Bianche). Why does this not apply to the Tour and Vingegard? That's why Pog's weakness until now has been high temperatures of 33+° and that exhausts him from stage to stage and that leads him to become a mortal in the 3rd week like Yates, Bilbao, Hindley - that second echelon, if the Tour started in the spring Vingegard could just cry, solve the problem of heat and the problem of poorly managed altitude training before the Tour and what will happen? You will get an unbeatable all-terrain machine never seen in the history of modern cycling, just a small comparison, the debut of the Pog on the Strade Bianche on 1/8/2020 in It was 40° in Siena that day and Pog finished 13th with exactly 10 minutes behind, a month later he won the Tour at temperatures around 20-25°. The problem of heat has been approached seriously since 2024 with a new coach and the methods used by Visma (long ulta easy endurance ride combined with Vo2 max intervals of 40-20 sec, 6*2 min Vo2max) will be used in the altitude training before the Tour, and I wonder how will Vingegard win if Pog is not bothered by high temperatures and does not drain his energy from stage to stage and has excellent recovery, and that was all solved by changing the coach. Do you think Vingo would have beaten Pog at the Giro last year? Vingo Tour form vs Pog Flanders form, the answer you give can also be applied to the Tour from this year, only that the Pog Flanders form from 2023 is 85-90% of the form that Pog will have at the Giro and the Tour

 

[tobydawq]

I get that, but based on how good he supposedly is he should be able to hold them off.

No, I don't think he should.

 

[Sybrand]

the difference between Pogacar 2019-2023 and Pogacar 2024 is like the difference between Movistar Jorgensen and Visma Jorgensen, I hope that there is someone here who finally understands what awaits Vingegard and that properly done heat training really helps in mastering tolerance and performance in high heat and that proper training altitude means a lot, and until now Pogacar with the clown and fraudster San Millan had neither of those two, that's why it always seemed to everyone that spring Pogačar was better than Tour Pogačar, which is not true at all, and the whole world will see that this year at the Tour

Why did they ditch San Millan for Pogi?
Pogi realised he was a fraud?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Why did they ditch San Millan for Pogi?
Pogi realised he was a fraud?

Having received evidence from @mou they found out that dr Inigo was Vingo's wife long-time friend...

 

[mou]

Why did they ditch San Millan for Pogi?
Pogi realised he was a fraud?

After the fall in Liege and with a 20-day delay in the preparations for the Tour, Pog asked Inigo for an alternative preparation plan, Pog flew to Sierra Nevada on 5/27/2023, and Inigo joined only 10 days later, despite various excuses as to why he was not there and did not have any specific plan how to prepare but everything as before and relations cool down so that Pog would cut off all contact with him after the Tour because during the tour Inigo gave an interview as if he was the main star of the team and held seminars all under the pretense that I am Pog's coach but in fact he is a clown and Pog was looking for a new coach, Novak recommended him Javier Sola, the team approved, San Millan was removed from his close circle of people and that's it

 

[Sybrand]

After the fall in Liege and with a 20-day delay in the preparations for the Tour, Pog asked Inigo for an alternative preparation plan, Pog flew to Sierra Nevada on 5/27/2023, and Inigo joined only 10 days later, despite various excuses as to why he was not there and did not have any specific plan how to prepare but everything as before and relations cool down so that Pog would cut off all contact with him after the Tour because during the tour Inigo gave an interview as if he was the main star of the team and held seminars all under the pretense that I am Pog's coach but in fact he is a clown and Pog was looking for a new coach, Novak recommended him Javier Sola, the team approved, San Millan was removed from his close circle of people and that's it

Thanks.

Another question. Aren't you afraid that Pog is a bit tired after riding the Giro in 100% shape and it won't be possible to keep that shape the full three weeks in the Tour?

 

[Valv.Piti]

Pog doesnt need to luck this year, its 2024, the year of the thermonuclear Pog. You only need luck if youre not by far the strongest. Leave them in the dust with 10 seconds on Poggio and they won't see Pogi before the god damn ceremony

 

[mou]

Thanks.

Another question. Aren't you afraid that Pog is a bit tired after riding the Giro in 100% shape and it won't be possible to keep that shape the full three weeks in the Tour?

No

 

[SHAD0W93]

Pog doesnt need to luck this year, its 2024, the year of the thermonuclear Pog. You only need luck if youre not by far the strongest. Leave them in the dust with 10 seconds on Poggio and they won't see Pogi before the god damn ceremony

Super Pog doesn’t need Poggio, he’s going to be on his own for 93 kms. Only question is how many riders are going to be OTL.

 

[tobydawq]

Pog doesnt need to luck this year, its 2024, the year of the thermonuclear Pog. You only need luck if youre not by far the strongest. Leave them in the dust with 10 seconds on Poggio and they won't see Pogi before the god damn ceremony

He'll likely be on a plane headed for Barcelona before the others cross the line!

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I get that, but based on how good he supposedly is he should be able to hold them off.

No. Parcour matter.
Or do you also think Pog in 2024 if hes as good asMou is telling should also be able to hold of the peloton in an attack like he did on Champs Elysees last year?

 

[mou]

Thanks.

Another question. Aren't you afraid that Pog is a bit tired after riding the Giro in 100% shape and it won't be possible to keep that shape the full three weeks in the Tour?

Pog will play at the Giro, like a child in the sand, enjoy Italian pasta, massages after each stage and the love that the Italian fans give him, so that the Giro will be fun for him and an excellent base preparation for the Tour💯

 

[Berniece]

No. Parcour matter.
Or do you also think Pog in 2024 if hes as good asMou is telling should also be able to hold of the peloton in an attack like he did on Champs Elysees last year?

Based on what he is saying, he would already be able to make a gap on cipressa, hold it and expand it on poggio.

 

[mou]

Pogi 2022 Santa Maria 21:03min, Pogi 2024 Santa Maria 19:08min the pace of the peloton from the start of the 2022 race to the sector is a procession compared to the pace of 2024, Pogi 7 days after, Carpegna in Tireno embarrassed the whole peloton, including the fisherman with 1:30 better over time on a 6km hill but the temperature was 6° and not 38 as on the Tour, again I repeat a much better trainer, intensive work on weaknesses (heat), introduction of modern methods in training that he had not used before and here you can watch and enjoy this new Pog version because I will 😆

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Based on what he is saying, he would already be able to make a gap on cipressa, hold it and expand it on poggio.

No, that is your interpretation of what he’s saying. He literally said he doesn’t think that Pogi will win San Remo and if he does the scenario is still an attack on Poggio (see his post 10:45PM CET yesterday).

Mou is indicating insane numbers, but insane numbers is still not enough to go solo on Cipressa and stay away. Because the parcour makes its a whole different case than Strade and other races where long solos are possible.

 

[mou]

No, that is your interpretation of what he’s saying. He literally said he doesn’t think that Pogi will win San Remo and if he does the scenario is still an attack on Poggio (see his post 10:45PM CET yesterday).

Mou is indicating insane numbers, but insane numbers is still not enough to go solo on Cipressa and stay away. Because the parcour makes its a whole different case than Strade and other races where long solos are possible.

for San Remo tailwind on Cippresa and people who can break the peloton at a strong pace on Cippresa and they are not covi, ullisi, gross.... but bjerg, mcnulty, del torro, exactly in that order so that in combination wellens full gas bottom on Poggio and then Pog goes nuclear, that's a solution, but Matxin is stupid to come up with something like that, unfortunately

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Based on what he is saying, he would already be able to make a gap on cipressa, hold it and expand it on poggio.

SB has 4500 meters of elevation gain. By the time Pog attacked everybody was tired due to a brutal pace (which wasn't brutal to Pog due to his w/kg superiority). Before Cipressa you have only flat with all the helpers in the peleton still ready to work for their leaders.

 

[Berniece]

No, that is your interpretation of what he’s saying. He literally said he doesn’t think that Pogi will win San Remo and if he does the scenario is still an attack on Poggio (see his post 10:45PM CET yesterday).

Mou is indicating insane numbers, but insane numbers is still not enough to go solo on Cipressa and stay away. Because the parcour makes its a whole different case than Strade and other races where long solos are possible.

I get that. And I'm saying he's inconsistent, because if those numbers are true, he won't have any problems in winning MSR by a minute.

 

[tobydawq]

I get that. And I'm saying he's inconsistent, because if those numbers are true, he won't have any problems in winning MSR by a minute.

Yes, he will. I don't think you get it. You make your own interpretation as EE said. You see 'big numbers' and immediately think that must mean he can solo home from Cipressa which obviously is impossible. Mou doesn't claim that to be possible either.

 

[mou]

San Remo is irrelevant for the preparation for the Giro, he rides it because if he wins, he can complete all the monuments in 2-3 years when he decides to ride the cube, his preparation is also 2 kg lighter than last year at this time, not because of San Remo, but because of the Giro- Tour and that in no way means that he will be better in Remo than last year, but it means that he will win at least 3 stages in Catalonia and the GC and that Vingo's performance in Tireno will look like the performance of an ordinary mortal compared to what awaits Kuss and the company in Catalonia

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I get that. And I'm saying he's inconsistent, because if those numbers are true, he won't have any problems in winning MSR by a minute.

No. Because the profile of MSR doesn’t make that possible, even with superior numbers.