Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[Salvarani]

it wasn't me

They are trying to ridicule and mock you now. Same posters doing it. Hold your head high @mou.

 

[scribers]

But seriously. What does UAE need to do to boss the peloton into the foot of the cipressa. No way pogi doesn’t keep doing this race until he wins. This will become an increasingly bigger goal of the calendar until they prevail. And this race requires a significant team commitment in spite of his talents.

Lidl did what uae must do at that specific moment. If uae does that, it tears the legs off of mvp and philipsen and anyone else like them.

 

[mou]

it doesn't affect me at all, if they haven't figured it out by now, I'm a little bored on annual leave, so this seems like a joke to me, if I pissed you off with Pog and writing, I have good news for you, in the future it will be very rare

 

[mou]

But seriously. What does UAE need to do to boss the peloton into the foot of the cipressa. No way pogi doesn’t keep doing this race until he wins. This will become an increasingly bigger goal of the calendar until they prevail. And this race requires a significant team commitment in spite of his talents.

Lidl did what uae must do at that specific moment. If uae does that, it tears the legs off of mvp and philipsen and anyone else like them.

Bjerg and Pollito should be brought in for something like that, then FFB, Morgado, Del Toro take over and 20-25 people drag to Poggio and then Del Toro does 600-700 m, Wellens 2km and Pog attacks 1k from the top of Poggio, but for something like that you need to be high pace all the way from the bottom of Cipressa to the attack of Pog and that can only be done with strong machines, not Ullisi and Hirschi

 

[scribers]

Personally I would smoke two strong and well respected riders to the cipressa base and two more on the climb. And have someone strong enough to roll with pog to a decisive attack on the poggio. As each year passes, del toro could very well be that second option for a win past the poggio.

Looking back at footage at the cipressa base, EF had the most numbers at that final turn of the thread and all of the contenders were well positioned for the attacks. Pog was the worst positioned at least from what I could see and all of the uae spent a lot of energy repositioning.

 

[mou]

Personally I would smoke two strong and well respected riders to the cipressa base and two more on the climb. And have someone strong enough to roll with pog to a decisive attack on the poggio. As each year passes, del toro could very well be that second option for a win past the poggio.

Looking back at footage at the cipressa base, EF had the most numbers at that final turn of the thread and all of the contenders were well positioned for the attacks. Pog was the worst positioned at least from what I could see and all of the uae spent a lot of energy repositioning.

I constantly suggest to my contact for Pog what to do, but Matxin does his own thing and Pog doesn't want to interfere in his work, and that's where the problem arises...

 

[Berniece]

Oh man. You act like cycling exorcised its demons with the expulsion of this one person

Not at all

 

[scribers]

Just caught a quote from wellens where an impatient pog almost went solo on the cipressa.

If the same *** team positioning happens again next year and pog feels strong he might as well as go and see what happens

 

[CHGJ2000]

Based on who do their riders underperform?

If anything seems the opposite. They've got a crazy hit rate on young riders not just performing but instantly overperforming what you'd expect based on their prior year.

 

[mou]

It's my first race in Catalonia and I'm excited about it,” Tadej Pogacar said before his first Tour of Catalonia . It’s a tough course and it definitely looks like a race for climbers and attacking riders, so I think the fans will have a good show and a great week of racing. We have a strong team and also tough rivals, so it will be entertaining. It was a quick turnaround from Sanremo, but everything went well and we will be ready to start on Monday. »

 

[yaf]

View: https://youtu.be/fK63DfksW_Q?si=ko9oifqXvKwwHnkS

Jump on 40:00 min😉😘💯

does Lance' 7w/k ftp aligned with his doping?😯

 

[scribers]

He said as much it did involve octane. And his base was 5-5.5 compared to pog’s base

 

[Vudy]

does Lance' 7w/k ftp aligned with his doping?😯

When he fell and then chased Ullrich back and went right on the attack again just when he reached him. It wasn't funny. It was at least 7.

 

[ppanther92]

Lance is still so weirdly competitive in such unnecessary ways though. Bruyneel talks about the @mou numbers - and first reaction from Lance - "Well, 6.something, really good, especially for that point for the season. I would have been at 5.5 but for the Tour I was always at 7.0 FTP". I don't think there are any 7.0 W/kg long climbs on record for Lance either, right?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Lance is still so weirdly competitive in such unnecessary ways though. Bruyneel talks about the @mou numbers - and first reaction from Lance - "Well, 6.something, really good, especially for that point for the season. I would have been at 5.5 but for the Tour I was always at 7.0 FTP". I don't think there are any 7.0 W/kg long climbs on record for Lance either, right?

Armstrong Alpe d'Huez TT was like 6.3-6.4 w/kg for 37.5 minutes. 7 w/kg of FTP is bull**it unless he thinks about some 20-minute test.

 

[Froome]

Lance is still so weirdly competitive in such unnecessary ways though. Bruyneel talks about the @mou numbers - and first reaction from Lance - "Well, 6.something, really good, especially for that point for the season. I would have been at 5.5 but for the Tour I was always at 7.0 FTP". I don't think there are any 7.0 W/kg long climbs on record for Lance either, right?

FTP is done in training, fresh condition.
During the race is different, is more complicated to replicate because of the fatigue.

I think the best armstrong did was 6.4/6.5 during 35 minutes.

 

[Froome]

Armstrong Alpe d'Huez TT was like 6.3-6.4 w/kg for 37.5 minutes. 7 w/kg of FTP is bull**it unless he thinks of some 20-minute test.

Probably that.

 

[ppanther92]

Armstrong Alpe d'Huez TT was like 6.3-6.4 w/kg for 37.5 minutes. 7 w/kg of FTP is bull**it unless he thinks about some 20-minute test.

Yes, exactly. But the statement also more felt like he "needed" that for his ego. "Look, I was better than those guys today".

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yes, exactly. But the statement also more felt like he "needed" that for his ego. "Look, I was better than those guys today".

Yup but in terms of pure climbing speed he actually wasn't better than Vingo and Pog. In terms of 3-week consistency he wasn't better than Vingo either.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

It's painful listening to lance try and form full sentences.

 

[mou]

Pog's statements that Strada 2022 was much more difficult than 2024 and that he needed 2-3 days for recovery and training, and that this year he trained immediately the day after the race and had a 30 km longer solo race, and the statement that this San Remo is the easiest
race ever speaks for the one who knows how to read between the lines, it says a lot..

 

[SHAD0W93]

Milan San Remo should experiment with their route like Milano Torino did and add some more climbs. Otherwise UAE should bring a team that could push the pace all the way for an attack on Cipressa.

 

[scribers]

Thinking more. Pog’s descending might make winning msr very difficult. Those two sets of switchbacks with flat terrain after the cipressa and poggio allow those slower on the climbs to get back on

 

[scribers]

@mou. How is Adam Yates doing? I haven’t noticed much regarding him and they could really use his strength in July

 

[ppanther92]

Milan San Remo should experiment with their route like Milano Torino did and add some more climbs. Otherwise UAE should bring a team that could push the pace all the way for an attack on Cipressa.

I think its fair that there is a monument sprinters with endurance and climbing prowess can win like Philipsen or Pedersen (although they also have a shot at PR and Ronde, I guess). So I would rather say UAE shouold bring a proper team with the likes of Bjerg and Politt to drive the pace in the low gradients and flat parts and fresh Wellens, Del Toro, ... can take over then.