Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[jmdirt]

Congrats TP!

 

[mou]

Pog training under the leadership of Javier Sola from 18.11.2023 is Inigo zone 2 in combination with short intervals of 30-15 sec, 40-20 sec and 2*2 min, introduction of Core devices in training and saunas, introduction of TT training twice a week, engagement of a private coach in Monaco for TT position and optimization Alex Baccili, introducing a scooter in training to simulate the pace of whatever stages he wants and then Pog does intervals after 4-5 hours behind the scooter but does intervals without the scooter (from 5-40 min intervals), data that Sola has seen in recent years, he saw that Pog needs very little stimulation in training at the Vo2 max level and FTP intervals, that there is no need to exhaust him at altitude, and that is why it was decided that the Giro serves as work on the aerobic engine for the Tour and that altitude only stimulates additional progress of aerobic capacity in combination with very few stimulants and Pog should be at 100% at the Tour and with 2 kg less

To repeat the material for those who did not attend the lecture the first time

 

[mou]

and you'll just have to see when he gets Remco and the fisherman at the ITT on the Tour 🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Froome]

Slovenian pozzato just 10/15 s faster than ciccone.
Javier sola is a charlatan.

 

[Offline]

Pretty disappointing time up the climb given all the hype, nothing to show he is better than his 2023 level

Did you see the weather? Plus Pogacar wasn't even going full gas the last km and UAE wasn't rinding the beginning of the climb that hard.

He won with 1.23 Landa and 2.03 to Kuss that all what matters. People pay to much attention to numbers and not to the actual race.

 

[Oldermanish]

Pretty disappointing time up the climb given all the hype, nothing to show he is better than his 2023 level

Except putting nearly 2 minutes into everyone? It's a stage race with several more climbing opportunities; not a wattage boner-measuring contest. "Level" means nothing if he can duplicate the effort from MSR, Stage 1 and 2 in the span of a week. He's right where he should be and the numbers fans can go back to the basement while they wait for his next disappointing performance.
For what it's worth Jonas and the JV management aren't relying on his numbers either.

 

[Oldermanish]

Pog training under the leadership of Javier Sola from 18.11.2023 is Inigo zone 2 in combination with short intervals of 30-15 sec, 40-20 sec and 2*2 min, introduction of Core devices in training and saunas, introduction of TT training twice a week, engagement of a private coach in Monaco for TT position and optimization Alex Baccili, introducing a scooter in training to simulate the pace of whatever stages he wants and then Pog does intervals after 4-5 hours behind the scooter but does intervals without the scooter (from 5-40 min intervals), data that Sola has seen in recent years, he saw that Pog needs very little stimulation in training at the Vo2 max level and FTP intervals, that there is no need to exhaust him at altitude, and that is why it was decided that the Giro serves as work on the aerobic engine for the Tour and that altitude only stimulates additional progress of aerobic capacity in combination with very few stimulants and Pog should be at 100% at the Tour and with 2 kg less

To repeat the material for those who did not attend the lecture the first time

This all seems like very good setup for the Giro. IMO altitude benefits have always been individual and not necessarily a huge benefit months before racing at altitude. Recovery is probably more important in this buildup.

 

[mou]

say what you want, but I wouldn't bring Ayuso to the Tour, it's clear to Almeida who's the boss and he'll be an excellent assistant, unlike that little jealous Spaniard, I'd go with little Del Toro instead of him

 

[Poursuivant]

Slovenian pozzato just 10/15 s faster than ciccone.
Javier sola is a charlatan.

Not according to this:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1770122172884783599

View: https://twitter.com/NairoInGreen/status/1770122172884783599

 

[AmRacer]

say what you want, but I wouldn't bring Ayuso to the Tour, it's clear to Almeida who's the boss and he'll be an excellent assistant, unlike that little jealous Spaniard, I'd go with little Del Toro instead of him

Yoyo isn't a good helper.

 

[Froome]

say what you want, but I wouldn't bring Ayuso to the Tour, it's clear to Almeida who's the boss and he'll be an excellent assistant, unlike that little jealous Spaniard, I'd go with little Del Toro instead of him

You are right mate, almeida as a super domestique is very good, adam yates the same. They should go with mcnulty instead of ayuso.

The main problem is that, looking at the performance of today, Pogacar doesn't have the power to beat Vingegaard in the Tour. I expected a lot more after hearing your statements.

Just 15 s better than ciccone? C'mon buddie.

Maybe the tatic of UAE is going with ayuso to attack with a lot of leaders, and trying to break Vingegaard, because emirates staff don't believe Pogi can do it alone.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Just 15 s better than ciccone? C'mon buddie.

Are you trolling or being serious? Asking since you’re repeating this over and over. The weather conditions makes a pretty big time difference I would assume, wheter it’s 10 seconds or 30 seconds I have no idea of, but it seems pretty stupid to just repeat “15 seconds better than Ciccone” without context.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Are you trolling or being serious? Asking since you’re repeating this over and over. The weather conditions makes a pretty big time difference I would assume, wheter it’s 10 seconds or 30 seconds I have no idea of, but it seems pretty stupid to just repeat “15 seconds better than Ciccone” without context.

Not to mention Pogacar letting up at about a KM to go. Someone already said his strava was about a minute faster than Evenepoel’s last year and that was in a sprint for the win.

 

[Cookster15]

He was about ten seconds faster than Ciccone last year. Javier Sola is a charlatan and a bald fraud.

How much would the weather slow him and what was the official time anyway? Poursuivant posted above that it was a record and the huge gaps over everyone else would seem to confirm this. e.g. Enric Mas who is always a good benchmark at +1'49" and Kuss + 2'03".

He also didn't launch his attack until 6.5km from the summit. On paper this seems as impressive as anything Vingegaard has shown recently.

 

[Barkintheeye]

Nice! That's a statement for the next big races to come.

 

[Froome]

Are you trolling or being serious? Asking since you’re repeating this over and over. The weather conditions makes a pretty big time difference I would assume, wheter it’s 10 seconds or 30 seconds I have no idea of, but it seems pretty stupid to just repeat “15 seconds better than Ciccone” without context.

The conversation about bad weather for Pogacar is BS. Yes, the majority of the riders suffer more in bad weather, but Pogacar it's opposite, based on the claims Pogacar and the UAE perfomance staff said in the past. Yes, Pogacar already said he is better in bad weather, it suits him, and you just need to remember romme/colombiere where the weather was even worse than today.

So, the conditions for Pogacar today were very good, and he disappointed a lot, specially because of silly statements that he was going to be a lot better this year.

 

[Elos Anjos]

@ users that can't tell the difference between weather conditions that suit a rider and the same weather conditions delaying any given rider.

 

[mou]

guys, relax, I told you nicely, but you persistently don't listen, in the next 4 years, Pog will not lose a single one-week and grand tour race, everything else is not important, and that is as safe as in your safe, today was a bit stronger training that he works in Monaco, you persistently deny the fact who is writing about Pog, someone very familiar with the situation

 

[Cookster15]

The conversation about bad weather for Pogacar is BS. Yes, the majority of the riders suffer more in bad weather, but Pogacar it's opposite, based on the claims Pogacar and the UAE perfomance staff said in the past. Yes, Pogacar already said he is better in bad weather, it suits him, and you just need to remember romme/colombiere where the weather was even worse than today.

So, the conditions for Pogacar today were very good, and he disappointed a lot, specially because of silly statements that he was going to be a lot better this year.

He disappointed a lot? . To the contrary - I am not basing this on anything mou has posted either. Today from Pogacar must surely match anything we have seen from Vingegaard so far this season? Its only March and Pogacar needs to measure his efforts for the season ahead - unlike Vingegaard. Yet huge gaps opened in just 6.5Km and Catalunya has a strong field of climbers.

 

[Froome]

He disappointed a lot? . To the contrary - I am not basing this on anything mou has posted either. Today from Pogacar must surely match anything we have seen from Vingegaard so far this season? Its only March and Pogacar needs to measure his efforts for the season ahead - unlike Vingegaard. Yet huge gaps opened in just 6.5Km and Catalunya has a strong field of climbers.

The field was very weak today, but it's also because i expected a bit more from guys like Kuss.

When i see chris harper in 6th place 1 min 40 down.....

 

[Cookster15]

The field was very weak today, but it's also because i expected a bit more from guys like Kuss.

When i see chris harper in 6th place 1 min 40 down.....

The field was not weak.

 

[mou]

from the best cyclist 2019-2023 with San Millan, Pog 2024 GOAT with Javier Sola and that's not because Sola is a miracle, but because he introduced modern training at the level of Ineos, Bora, etc. you have no idea how fraudulent and ignorant Millan is, he lives in the 20th century with his zone 2, and nothing else exists, neither TT training, nor heat training, nor intervals, scammer.....

 

[kn0s]

He disappointed a lot? . To the contrary - I am not basing this on anything mou has posted either. Today from Pogacar must surely match anything we have seen from Vingegaard so far this season? Its only March and Pogacar needs to measure his efforts for the season ahead - unlike Vingegaard. Yet huge gaps opened in just 6.5Km and Catalunya has a strong field of climbers.

It was a good effort, but nothing not expected from pogi. Don't think you can really compare the routes of this with most of what Jonas has done so fare. As for competition, it's up to you to rate ayuso and hindly against vlasov and landa.

 

[Netserk]

The field was similar to last year's field below Rogla and Evenepoel. Or Itzulia below Vingegaard.

 

[Froome]

from the best cyclist 2019-2023 with San Millan, Pog 2024 GOAT with Javier Sola and that's not because Sola is a miracle, but because he introduced modern training at the level of Ineos, Bora, etc. you have no idea how fraudulent and ignorant Millan is, he lives in the 20th century with his zone 2, and nothing else exists, neither TT training, nor heat training, nor intervals, scammer.....

Pogacar did better performances with San millan, than the perfomance he did today.