Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[mou]

Dude, that VAM at 1807 m/h is a totally different segment of the climb ...

How on Earth did you think a segment of the beginning of the climb refutes a statement about the last part of it?!

they count on VAM when Pog deliberately slowed down in the last 2 km because he already had a 1:30 advantage and entered his slow tempo mode, and they count it all by heart, based on some of their fantasies and calculations, there is no need to continue to answer you something

 

[Netserk]

they count on VAM when Pog deliberately slowed down in the last 2 km because he already had a 1:30 advantage and entered his slow tempo mode, and they count it all by heart, based on some of their fantasies and calculations, there is no need to continue to answer you something

He first posted VAM for the full climb, then later from Pogi's attack until the finish-line. Totally standard practise as he does for a lot of other performances.

Last 11.16 km of the climb, VAM = 1715 m/h.

 

[mou]

I first wrote about the segment from 7.4 km to the finish line when he attacked, to the segment 3.4 km to the finish line when he slowed down, and when he slowed down I can see comparing Pog's and Bernal's data from the hill and I tell you that in those 4 km he did 1.09 min over Bernal, so now you calculate or ask that Finn to calculate Bernal w/kg on that segment, do you understand the story, old man?

 

[Netserk]

I first wrote about the segment from 7.4 km to the finish line when he attacked,

You pretended to write about it, but then went on to only show numbers of a different segment.

 

[Froome]

he had VAM 1807 on that section that that scammer Ammati..... publishes and I have proof of that. you and I want to bet? if I show you that Pog had VAM of 1807 in the last 7 km, you will not write anymore not a single post, and if you're and that ammati... are right, I'll apologize and send 10,000E to your account, agreed? 😉💯

If the VAM is 1807 on that first section, then Pogacar did 6.35/6.4 w/kg.

You said Bernal did there 6.5 w/kg, insinuating Pogacar did even more like 6.7/6.8 w/kg, but it's not true, and you are confirming that with the VAM of 1807.

 

[mou]

here is a scary piece of information for you, the segment from almost the beginning Valtter 2000 to 3.4 before the finish is 7km..... Remco 2023 the first 3.7k of that segment 24 sec advantage over Pog from 2024 while the peloton was together and then when Pog installed Almeida in front and soon after that attacked in the remaining 3.3 km of that segment in heavy rain and cold, Remco's time 10:00 min and Pog 8:48 min, so a minute and 12 faster than Remco and Roglić, so now you count on VAM and similar ***, so much about that he was "only" 12-13 seconds faster looking at the whole hill, you can't see a tree from the forest, that's your problem....

 

[Samu Cuenca]

The most teling number is the gap at the finish line. When someone wins by over 1:20 due to pure strength and not because of some tactical games being played behind, then it's a great performance no matter the exact VAM or Wham!

 

[mou]

Yesterday was Pog's best performance ever in the hills, considering the temperature, rain and altitude, and he still has progress until the Giro and Tour, another 1-2kg to lose before the Tour

 

[Netserk]

The most teling number is the gap at the finish line. When someone wins by over 1:20 due to pure strength and not because of some tactical games being played behind, then it's a great performance no matter the exact VAM or Wham!

It was a great performance (but not Pogi's best one). That doesn't give license to false claims about how great it was.

 

[mou]

View: https://youtu.be/_yiMMvqZ6OI?si=dZvZ0KExwNyNYbA4


here is a song dedicated to all the haters, for those who don't understand the text, let them google it

 

[Salvarani]

It was a great performance (but not Pogi's best one). That doesn't give license to false claims about how great it was.

Nor does it give you any license either.

 

[Salvarani]

The most teling number is the gap at the finish line. When someone wins by over 1:20 due to pure strength and not because of some tactical games being played behind, then it's a great performance no matter the exact VAM or Wham!

The GOAT

 

[Netserk]

Nor does it give you any license either.

Have I made any false claims here?

 

[Salvarani]

Have I made any false claims here?

L

 

[Samu Cuenca]

It was a great performance (but not Pogi's best one). That doesn't give license to false claims about how great it was.

It has become quite clear that mou is as interested in the attention than he is in sharing "secrets", so I don't think we need to get too hung up on how accurate some of his statements are.

 

[Barkintheeye]

Yesterday was Pog's best performance ever in the hills, considering the temperature, rain and altitude, and he still has progress until the Giro and Tour, another 1-2kg to lose before the Tour

Now that seems a little too much? Do you really mean he should be at 63,5 kg at the Tour? Allegedly he was at 65,5 kg at Strade Bianche which in itself is quite lean for a rider of his height (1,76 cm)

 

[Netserk]

It has become quite clear that mou is as interested in the attention than he is in sharing "secrets", so I don't think we need to get too hung up on how accurate some of his statements are.

I think we always need to not willingly make false factual claims.

 

[mou]

Now that seems a little too much? Do you really mean he should be at 63,5 kg at the Tour? Allegedly he was at 65,5 kg at Strade Bianche which in itself is quite lean for a rider of his height (1,76 cm)

Ayuso is 183 cm, so at the Vuelta 2023 he weighed 63 kg

 

[mou]

why wouldn't then Pog weigh 63.5 kg at his 176 cm

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I think we always need to not willingly make false factual claims.

To each their own, of course, so if you want to engage in this battle, be my guest.

 

[Salvarani]

Now that seems a little too much? Do you really mean he should be at 63,5 kg at the Tour? Allegedly he was at 65,5 kg at Strade Bianche which in itself is quite lean for a rider of his height (1,76 cm)

No one really knows for sure.

It is all guesses and estimations.

Thats why numbers can differ, depending on what you set.

Some on here are just tedious and dont understand what is happening.

 

[danielovichdk2]

at the moment of Pog's attack, 7.4 km to the top and 3.4 km to the top, exactly 11:26 minute passed, and in those 11:26 minute he gave Bernal 69 seconds, and Bernal had 6.5 w/kg in those 4 km, so now you calculate how much Pog had

Your subjective calculations is as good as any religious texts. The are presented with no form of evidence. It's not you that is the problem. It's the obvious missing data that is.

 

[Salvarani]

Your subjective calculations is as good as any religious texts. The are presented with no form of evidence. It's not you that is the problem. It's the obvious missing data that is.

He obviously cant post the data though for reasons.

 

[RedheadDane]

No one really knows for sure.

It is all guesses and estimations.

Thats why numbers can differ, depending on what you set.

Some on here are just tedious and dont understand what is happening.

Got that right...

 

[danielovichdk2]

He obviously cant post the data though for reasons.

Which is a circumstance that is not positive for a leveled discussion. I could also claim to have data for rising interest rates and you could choose to believe it or not, but it could hardly be considered as evidence for my claims.

The data would be immensely interesting and I would love to see them. Until then I of course do not trust any numbers given by anyone, because it would make me look and feel unintelligent.

The discussion is "fun" but beware of the bias it can impose.