Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[AmRacer]

worse weather

The magic words.

 

[Froome]

6.66w/k adjusted to sea level. It was one of his best performance in a 30 min climb. He would have gone faster with a better condition.

Stop copy statements from Naichaca.

 

[proffate]

So, the conditions for Pogacar today were very good, and he disappointed a lot, specially because of silly statements that he was going to be a lot better this year.

His fans are not disappointed that he won by 2 minutes. His detractors might be disappointed that he won by 2 minutes, but you seem to think that he should have won by even more, so I guess haters like you should also be happy. So who is disappointed?

You're also conveniently ignoring the fact that he obviously wasn't treating this as a maximal test. He's supposed to be on cruise control until July; why would he push it to the max in March?

 

[Froome]

His fans are not disappointed that he won by 2 minutes. His detractors might be disappointed that he won by 2 minutes, but you seem to think that he should have won by even more, so I guess haters like you should also be happy. So who is disappointed?

You're also conveniently ignoring the fact that he obviously wasn't treating this as a maximal test. He's supposed to be on cruise control until July; why would he push it to the max in March?

At least this year, the excuse "he had the Giro in his legs" will not be valid.

 

[proffate]

At least this year, the excuse "he had the Giro in his legs" will not be valid.

IMO the greater risk of Teddy riding the Giro is that he'll crash and injure himself rather than burn up too many matches. After all, 3 weeks of z2 is rather boring and he might lose some focus.

 

[peterfin]

Pogi was hiding in the woods today like he is hiding from a GC battle with Vingo, Remco and Rogla until the TdF but even then he can hide behind his Giro efforts if he would fail again.

 

[yaf]

Stop copy statements from Naichaca.

What are u talking about? U dont have a clue about performance and power to weight ratio. U were making an analogy of pogs stage 8 2021 tour performance where the altitude there was much lower and u say today's performance is less.😖

 

[roundabout]

At least this year, the excuse "he had the Giro in his legs" will not be valid.

Why isn't your favorite riding the Giro too then? Should be an easy historic double, right?

 

[proffate]

What are u talking about? U dont have a clue about performance and power to weight ratio. U were making an analogy of pogs stage 8 2021 tour performance where the altitude there was much lower and u say today's performance is less.😖

While I agree with the gist of what you are saying, individual response to altitude is highly variable so we can't accurately back out that factor for a "sea level equivalent" w/kg.

6.66 for 18 minutes seems a tad too high given the apparent exertion level (AE, from here on out) or Pog is just really good at hiding his discomfort.

 

[Froome]

Why isn't your favorite riding the Giro too then? Should be an easy historic double, right?

Tour/Vuelta, but hey Van der poel is also my favourite rider.

 

[roundabout]

Tour/Vuelta, but hey Van der poel is also my favourite rider.

That doesn't answer my question.

Giro/Tour is a more prestigious double/bigger achievement.

The biggest rival is doing the Giro which may not happen again if and when Vingegaard decides to aim for the Giro/Tour double.

 

[SHAD0W93]

That doesn't answer my question.

Giro/Tour is a more prestigious double/bigger achievement.

The biggest rival is doing the Giro which may not happen again if and when Vingegaard decides to aim for the Giro/Tour double.

It’s too cold in May, V1ng3g44rd doesn’t work in the cold.

 

[Froome]

That doesn't answer my question.

Giro/Tour is a more prestigious double/bigger achievement.

The biggest rival is doing the Giro which may not happen again if and when Vingegaard decides to aim for the Giro/Tour double.

Because the Giro is not a good preparation race for the Tour.

There's a lot of time later in his career to win the Giro.

 

[roundabout]

Because the Giro is not a good preparation race for the Tour.

There's a lot of time later in his career to win the Giro.

Huh? Didn't you write just a few posts ago that doing a Giro would not be a valid excuse?

 

[Froome]

Huh? Didn't you write just a few posts ago that doing a Giro would not be a valid excuse?

I wasn't talking about me, but as an excuse for his fans, if he fades during the Tour.

 

[KZD]

Pogi was hiding in the woods today like he is hiding from a GC battle with Vingo, Remco and Rogla until the TdF but even then he can hide behind his Giro efforts if he would fail again.

Its funny how we have a rider that tackles the Giro-Tour challenge and still rides three monuments, Olympics and Worlds, yet he is accused of hiding, while riders that only ride a few stage races during the season aren't...

 

[roundabout]

I wasn't talking about me, but as an excuse for his fans, if he fades during the Tour.

Why would it not be valid when you yourself think that doing the Giro is not the optimal buildup?

 

[Froome]

Why would it not be valid when you yourself think that doing the Giro is not the optimal buildup?

For me it will be a valid excuse, because doing the Giro is not a good preparation.

 

[roundabout]

For me it will be a valid excuse, because doing the Giro is not a good preparation.

Then what was this post about?

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[Froome]

Then what was this post about?

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I was talking about pog fans believing the Giro will be a perfect preparation for the Tour. I was being ironic.

 

[roundabout]

I was talking about pog fans believing the Giro will be a perfect preparation for the Tour. I was being ironic.

And where were Pog fans believing that?

 

[Lorzenz08]

The Giro is still a GT and it takes a lot of time to recover.

Even Vingegaard who is the king of recovery performed significantly worse in the Vuelta than in the Tour.

Now of course if Pogi comes undercooked for the Giro, would it be different... well yes it would but still 3 weeks of racing is 3 weeks of racing. It still takes a toll. Never underestimate a GT.

 

[SHAD0W93]

The biggest hindrance would be if a rider and team are as or stronger than he and UAE. It could turn into a 2015 situation when Contador had to do everything on his own. Otherwise if he gets a big enough lead the first week he can just relax and follow wheels.

 

[peterfin]

Its funny how we have a rider that tackles the Giro-Tour challenge and still rides three monuments, Olympics and Worlds, yet he is accused of hiding, while riders that only ride a few stage races during the season aren't...

It's not funny at all. It's disappointing. We should see them battle more often. We will have to wait until this summer except for LBL ... hopefully.

 

[ppanther92]

The conversation about bad weather for Pogacar is BS. Yes, the majority of the riders suffer more in bad weather, but Pogacar it's opposite, based on the claims Pogacar and the UAE perfomance staff said in the past. Yes, Pogacar already said he is better in bad weather, it suits him, and you just need to remember romme/colombiere where the weather was even worse than today.

So, the conditions for Pogacar today were very good, and he disappointed a lot, specially because of silly statements that he was going to be a lot better this year.

Just because Pogacar does well in bad weather relative to a lot of competitors doesn’t mean he would be faster in absolute terms, the worse the conditions. Actually it makes absolutely no sense even.

I am for sure not on the extreme hype train yet (see my comments in the thread) but today was very convincing.