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Red Rick

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Blanco said:
Maybe only if the distance is less than 1000m.
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Nah TT equipment is so much better these days.

Thing is, either you take them at face value, and then Indurain did higher W/kg but slower TTs or you look at them compared to their own era amd then Pogi is simply the superior climber

And tbh I dont know too many of the Indurain climbing records
 
Peyroteo94

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Indurain was highly benefited by Tour's route in the 90's. First week was a walk in the park, with 2 TT and a lot of flat stages. We only had 2 or 3 hard mountain stages in the race. In today's era, Indurain would not win 5 Tours and 2 Giros. If we want to talk about the perfect GT rider, we have to look to Armstrong. Not Indurain, not Froome (at all).
 
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Indurain says Pog can do the giro-tour double. Indurain should know - he's done two of them and his palmares is way ahead of Pog's (currently).
 
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Peyroteo94

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topcat said:
Indurain says Pog can do the giro-tour double. Indurain should know - he's done two of them and his palmares is way ahead of Pog's (currently).
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No, he doesn't know. It is way more difficult to do the double these days. The Tour has becoming more climbing friendly and less TT friendly.
 
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Netserk

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Red Rick said:
Nah TT equipment is so much better these days.

Thing is, either you take them at face value, and then Indurain did higher W/kg but slower TTs or you look at them compared to their own era amd then Pogi is simply the superior climber

And tbh I dont know too many of the Indurain climbing records
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In the evaluation of how strong a rider is, training methods, nutrition etc. are baked in. We cannot disentangle how strong a rider would be if he trained otherwise, and even if we could, that wouldn't meaningfully answer who the strongest rider is of all time. The bike on the other hand is not the rider, and a better bike (or speedsuit) doesn't make you a better rider. Even putting that aside, I don't think Pogi is faster on the flat than Indurain was, but it would help if he made an attempt for the hour-record. And of course, faster on the flat doesn't only boil down to speed in flat ITTs, but also on the road bike.

The question here is clearly not about relative strength, as then Merckx is far ahead of Pogi.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Indurain was highly benefited by Tour's route in the 90's. First week was a walk in the park, with 2 TT and a lot of flat stages. We only had 2 or 3 hard mountain stages in the race. In today's era, Indurain would not win 5 Tours and 2 Giros. If we want to talk about the perfect GT rider, we have to look to Armstrong. Not Indurain, not Froome (at all).
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Most likely, in a gedankenexperiment Indurain wouldn't win a Tour today.

Just like it's likely that a Tour today with the lenght of TT from the past would favour Remco.
 
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mou said:
while you are talking nonsense, Pog is destroying the TT in Sierra Nevada and teaching the guys from Ineos how he will destroy their asses if they try to attack him at the Giro
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Yeah, so much nonsense of being stuck in the past. We are seeing the GOAT race and people just can never enjoy anything or let anyone else enjoy something in peace. Some real suckers.
 
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If pog wins the giro TT against ganna he should go for the Olympics TT and make the season the best ever 🤩
 
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Asked by Cycling Weekly at the Volta a Catalunya whether he’s starting to think about his place in history, Pogačar nodded and said: “Yeah. Now I have arrived at this point where I really strive to be the best ever.”
very unlike pogacar, he is quite reserved and shy to talk such boldly. It seems he has realized this year he is gonna be on another level but he can't tell us everything. He is giving a hint for whats to come. Meanwhile people in this thread are still arguing about indurain pogacar😄
 
Netserk

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“Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't.”
 
Krzysztof_O

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Froome said:
Indurain was never annihilated in Grand Tours, especially in the Tour de France, like Pogacar was in the last 2 years, so i think it's unfair for Indurain. Indurain was a better GT rider, at least for now.
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Out of Indurain's first 10 GTs he DNF-ed half of them and never made it to the top10 in the GC.
Pogacar's GTs so far: 3rd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd.
 
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