Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

[yaf]

“Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't.”

But if u dont tell the ladies before, they will cry when they see it after

 

[Froome]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-l7fmJ5FLwk&pp=ygUTMTk5NiB0b3VyIGRlIGZyYW5jZQ%3D%3D

After winning 5 consecutive Tours, he was finished and retired in 1996.

 

[yaf]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-l7fmJ5FLwk&pp=ygUTMTk5NiB0b3VyIGRlIGZyYW5jZQ%3D%3D

We will better define annihilation com july

 

[Elos Anjos]

Over who? Is he really a noticeably better grand tour TTer than Pog, Vingo or Rog?

The principle is that if you design a GT route around a specific rider set of skills, you can increase the probability of him winning such a GT. I'm only stating GTs from the past were loaded with more TT mileage than now.

 

[Cookster15]

Nah TT equipment is so much better these days.

Thing is, either you take them at face value, and then Indurain did higher W/kg but slower TTs or you look at them compared to their own era amd then Pogi is simply the superior climber

And tbh I dont know too many of the Indurain climbing records

I think Pogi is the superior climber too but it should be noted that Indurain has the 7th fastest ascent of Alpe D'Huez (in 1995). 38'04". That's about 1 minute quicker than Vingo/Pog/Thomas in 2022.

Incidentally, 1995 was the year Pantani set the record and, with Indurain, the last steel bike to win the Tour.

Fastest Alpe d'huez ascent in 16 years

Col du Galibier 2022:8,6 km@6,8%---23:45---average speed 21.73 km/h(Louis Meintjes) ---24:00---average spe...

www.climbing-records.com

 

[mou]

Pog breaks all his records in Sierra Nevada, today he was better on the 25 km TT undulating route that the UAE does every year until now at the end of each camp in Nevada by a full minute, Sola is amazed, no one believes what is happening, and that all with a smile on his face, he has progressed and is better than what I predicted in February that he would be for the Giro, I know that on a couple of occasions I raised the hype because of a more convincing story to get people intrigued, but this time there is no need for that. He came to Sierra Nevada with mechanic Kavčnik, physiotherapist Daniel Ortega, Sola. Yesterday, G and Pog trained a little and agreed to train together in the final week of the camp, to explain G that he is not Roglić

 

[snipeheem]

I think Pogi is the superior climber too but it should be noted that Indurain has the 7th fastest ascent of Alpe D'Huez (in 1995). 38'04". That's about 1 minute quicker than Vingo/Pog/Thomas in 2022.

Incidentally, 1995 was the year Pantani set the record and, with Indurain, the last steel bike to win the Tour.

Fastest Alpe d'huez ascent in 16 years

Col du Galibier 2022:8,6 km@6,8%---23:45---average speed 21.73 km/h(Louis Meintjes) ---24:00---average spe...

www.climbing-records.com

Do you believe is it possible jonas/pog to break this Pantani record?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Do you believe is it possible jonas/pog to break this Pantani record?

Pantani's record seems untouchable unless further training improvements are done (not for this forum section). I do believe they could achieve sub 38' time in an ITT (like Armstrong did in 2004) with Vingo being slighly more likely to do it.

 

[snipeheem]

Pantani's record seems untouchable unless further training improvements are done (not for this forum section). I do believe they could achieve sub 38' time in an ITT (like Armstrong did in 2004) with Vingo being slighly more likely to do it.

Thanks , is it the hardest climbing record in cycling?

 

[Froome]

Do you believe is it possible jonas/pog to break this Pantani record?

If Prudhomme decides to have a ITT to alpe d'huez like in Tour France 2004, Vingegaard will break pantani record. Pogacar probably enters in the top 10 fastest time ever.

 

[Cookster15]

If Prudhomme decides to have a ITT to alpe d'huez like in Tour France 2004, Vingegaard will break pantani record. Pogacar probably enters in the top 10 fastest time ever.

36'40" ? I very much doubt that.

 

[DNP-Old]

If Prudhomme decides to have a ITT to alpe d'huez like in Tour France 2004, Vingegaard will break pantani record. Pogacar probably enters in the top 10 fastest time ever.

Lol.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If Prudhomme decides to have a ITT to alpe d'huez like in Tour France 2004, Vingegaard will break pantani record. Pogacar probably enters in the top 10 fastest time ever.

If Skeletor is in "show them who's the strongest" mode then middle 37's, maybe even less can happen. 36'40'' is a ridiculous time by an amazing climber in the peak of the EPO era.

 

[Netserk]

Thanks , is it the hardest climbing record in cycling?

Hautacam is perhaps the hardest to break.

 

[Froome]

36'40" ? I very much doubt that.

I am talking if they do in a ITT.

In a hard stage, very difficult to beat the record.

If they do a ITT, it's like starting the climb fresh, and doing a FTP.

If Vingegaard tired, in a hard stage can do 6.3/6.4 w/kg on Hautacam (36/37 min effort), then fresh he can probably do 6.6 to 6.8 w/kg, especially in the shape he usually have in the last week of Tours de France. If he does that power certainly equalizes less than 37 minutes.

He could had done the alpe d'huez in 2022 in at least 38 minutes if he had done the climb in full gas, so in a TT in my opinion Vingegaard could break the record.

Naturally the records can be broken, they are getting faster and faster.

 

[DNP-Old]

Hautacam is perhaps the hardest to break.

Though a niche climb that we'll likely never see at peak level, I'll throw Flumserberg at you

 

[snipeheem]

Though a niche climb that we'll likely never see at peak level, I'll throw Flumserberg at you

I read somewhere that Pantani Flumsserberg is the greatest climbing performance ever

 

[DNP-Old]

I read somewhere that Pantani Flumsserberg is the greatest climbing performance ever

Wouldn't surprise me tbh.

 

[Froome]

If Skeletor is in "show them who's the strongest" mode then middle 37's, maybe even less can happen. 36'40'' is a ridiculous time by an amazing climber in the peak of the EPO era.

Yes, but the records will be naturally broken because we are in another era, with better equipment, better training methods, better nutrition, better scouting and other clinical issues that we can't talk here, so it's natural if one day the record is broken.

They could had broken the record of pantani on joux plane if they didn’t stop.

 

[Froome]

I read somewhere that Pantani Flumsserberg is the greatest climbing performance ever

I don't know if is better than riis on hautacam.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yes, but the records will be naturally broken because we are in another era, with better equipment, better training methods, better nutrition, better scouting and other clinical issues that we can't talk here, so it's naturall if one day the record is broken.

They could had broken the record of pantani on joux plane if they didn’t stop.

It can happen in this era but another step is required methinks. Maybe that's why TdF organizers don't overuse Alpe those days and won't do Alpe ITT anytime soon!

 

[Froome]

It will not change that much but it's 36:50 the record of pantani.

 

[Froome]

It can happen in this era but another step is required methinks. Maybe that's why TdF organizers don't overuse Alpe those days and won't do Alpe ITT anytime soon!

There would be a lot of controversy after the results, if they do again the ITT to alpe d'huez, that's why maybe they are avoiding doing again an ITT to alpe d'huez.

 

[snipeheem]

i thought that jonas level from TT would be enough to break Marco Alpe record but I see I underestimated what a monster Pantani was.

 

[Red Rick]

Hautacam is perhaps the hardest to break.

It's definitely not Alpe d'Huez. On Alpe d'Huez you just need to attack and drop everyone early and you get the motors right in front of you because of how crazy the spectators are.