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Teams & Riders Tadej Pogačar discussion thread

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Nah TT equipment is so much better these days.

Thing is, either you take them at face value, and then Indurain did higher W/kg but slower TTs or you look at them compared to their own era amd then Pogi is simply the superior climber

And tbh I dont know too many of the Indurain climbing records

I think Pogi is the superior climber too but it should be noted that Indurain has the 7th fastest ascent of Alpe D'Huez (in 1995). 38'04". That's about 1 minute quicker than Vingo/Pog/Thomas in 2022.

Incidentally, 1995 was the year Pantani set the record and, with Indurain, the last steel bike to win the Tour.

 
Pog breaks all his records in Sierra Nevada, today he was better on the 25 km TT undulating route that the UAE does every year until now at the end of each camp in Nevada by a full minute, Sola is amazed, no one believes what is happening, and that all with a smile on his face, he has progressed and is better than what I predicted in February that he would be for the Giro, I know that on a couple of occasions I raised the hype because of a more convincing story to get people intrigued, but this time there is no need for that. He came to Sierra Nevada with mechanic Kavčnik, physiotherapist Daniel Ortega, Sola. Yesterday, G and Pog trained a little and agreed to train together in the final week of the camp, to explain G that he is not Roglić
 
I think Pogi is the superior climber too but it should be noted that Indurain has the 7th fastest ascent of Alpe D'Huez (in 1995). 38'04". That's about 1 minute quicker than Vingo/Pog/Thomas in 2022.

Incidentally, 1995 was the year Pantani set the record and, with Indurain, the last steel bike to win the Tour.

Do you believe is it possible jonas/pog to break this Pantani record?
 
If Prudhomme decides to have a ITT to alpe d'huez like in Tour France 2004, Vingegaard will break pantani record. Pogacar probably enters in the top 10 fastest time ever.

If Skeletor is in "show them who's the strongest" mode then middle 37's, maybe even less can happen. 36'40'' is a ridiculous time by an amazing climber in the peak of the EPO era.
 
36'40" ? I very much doubt that.
I am talking if they do in a ITT.

In a hard stage, very difficult to beat the record.

If they do a ITT, it's like starting the climb fresh, and doing a FTP.

If Vingegaard tired, in a hard stage can do 6.3/6.4 w/kg on Hautacam (36/37 min effort), then fresh he can probably do 6.6 to 6.8 w/kg, especially in the shape he usually have in the last week of Tours de France. If he does that power certainly equalizes less than 37 minutes.

He could had done the alpe d'huez in 2022 in at least 38 minutes if he had done the climb in full gas, so in a TT in my opinion Vingegaard could break the record.

Naturally the records can be broken, they are getting faster and faster.
 
If Skeletor is in "show them who's the strongest" mode then middle 37's, maybe even less can happen. 36'40'' is a ridiculous time by an amazing climber in the peak of the EPO era.
Yes, but the records will be naturally broken because we are in another era, with better equipment, better training methods, better nutrition, better scouting and other clinical issues that we can't talk here, so it's natural if one day the record is broken.

They could had broken the record of pantani on joux plane if they didn’t stop.
 
Yes, but the records will be naturally broken because we are in another era, with better equipment, better training methods, better nutrition, better scouting and other clinical issues that we can't talk here, so it's naturall if one day the record is broken.

They could had broken the record of pantani on joux plane if they didn’t stop.

It can happen in this era but another step is required methinks. Maybe that's why TdF organizers don't overuse Alpe those days and won't do Alpe ITT anytime soon!
 
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It's definitely not Alpe d'Huez. On Alpe d'Huez you just need to attack and drop everyone early and you get the motors right in front of you because of how crazy the spectators are.

Pog & Vingo did Alpe in 39'08'' in 2022. How much faster do you think one of them could go with a stronger attack? 1 minute seems plausible, maybe more. I don't think 2.5 minutes were possible, it was already a solid effort by them.